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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    both of you have equal 'right to marriage'. so long as you follow the law when applying for a marriage license.

    it seems that all you know how (or wish) to have here is the "gays should or should not have the ability to recieve marriage licenses for their relationships' argument. do you have an actual reply to the original question that i have missed?
    No, I don't have an equal right to marriage, no matter how much you want to pretend I do. I can't enter the contract of marriage with the person I want, and the marriage law on books is discriminatory.

    And you have yet to say why LGBT should be denied marriage rights. Why do you believe that we don't deserve that right. Our relationships are no different than yours, except for the fact that it is with the same gender.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    both of you have equal 'right to marriage'. so long as you follow the law when applying for a marriage license.

    it seems that all you know how (or wish) to have here is the "gays should or should not have the ability to recieve marriage licenses for their relationships' argument. do you have an actual reply to the original question that i have missed?
    This same argument could easily be made for interracial marriage. Both parties are free to marry someone of their same race. Why did they have to marry someone of a different race? Isn't the argument from the anti-SSM side always that attraction to someone is a choice? Wouldn't that same thing hold true about attraction to members of a different race? Wouldn't those people be able to choose not to be attracted to or be with a member of a different race? So then, why did they need to get married to members of a different race? Why did the SCOTUS force every state to provide marriages to interracial couples?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    both of you have equal 'right to marriage'. so long as you follow the law when applying for a marriage license.

    it seems that all you know how (or wish) to have here is the "gays should or should not have the ability to recieve marriage licenses for their relationships' argument. do you have an actual reply to the original question that i have missed?
    I dont know if you asked her anything but I know that YOU are not trying to call somebody out for QUESTION DODGING???? LMAO
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    because nothing will have really changed (you yourself might be ecstatic, i don't know). society will feel exactly the same way it did the day before-hand; if anything there may be backlash (one of the downsides of representative government; you can't run roughshod over the expressed will of the people without them getting all uppity about it).

    my (adoptive) sister, for example, lives in the world where she will be married one day. except that she also sees her mom helping her pick a dress. and her dad walking her down the aisle. and getting married by my dad (who is a methodist minister). and getting married in the church where we were children. but if her marriage is a lesbian one, then none of these things will happen, irrespective of whether or not the Supreme Court (or whomever) has altered the definition of marriage... but that's something she has no desire to face and so she chooses not to. until she has to. and that will be a series of disappointing days for her when she realizes that "gay marriage" isn't some kind of "easy" fix-all button.
    Who said anything about changing society? Society can go ahead and think anything in wants. You can dislike same sex marriage as much as you want. You'd even be free to stand out in public and protest it. All well within your rights. What isn't within your rights is to use government force against another group of people to supress their exercise of their rights and liberties when they themselves have done nothing to infringe upon the rights of others.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This same argument could easily be made for interracial marriage. Both parties are free to marry someone of their same race. Why did they have to marry someone of a different race? Isn't the argument from the anti-SSM side always that attraction to someone is a choice? Wouldn't that same thing hold true about attraction to members of a different race? Wouldn't those people be able to choose not to be attracted to or be with a member of a different race? So then, why did they need to get married to members of a different race? Why did the SCOTUS force every state to provide marriages to interracial couples?
    it seems common sense is wasted on this poster so he probably won't have any REAL or LOGICAL answers for you, reality is not a place he seems to live in. Its all dramatic spin and illogical sound bites that dont make sense in reality.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    because nothing will have really changed (you yourself might be ecstatic, i don't know). society will feel exactly the same way it did the day before-hand; if anything there may be backlash (one of the downsides of representative government; you can't run roughshod over the expressed will of the people without them getting all uppity about it). my (adoptive) sister, for example, lives in the world where she will be married one day. except that she also sees her mom helping her pick a dress. and her dad walking her down the aisle. and getting married by my dad (who is a methodist minister). and getting married in the church where we were children. but if her marriage is a lesbian one, then none of these things will happen, irrespective of whether or not the Supreme Court (or whomever) has altered the definition of marriage... but that's something she has no desire to face. until she has to. and that will be a series of disappointing days for her when she realizes that "gay marriage" isn't some kind of "easy" fix-all button.
    That is not what we are arguing here. It is about being treated equally under the law, and the push for SSM has nothing to do social acceptance. It is a legal argument through, and through. And the social acceptance will come when the older generation dies out, and my generation, and the next generation take over things.

    And I could care less if people are mad about it, our government was designed to make sure that the majority can't take away the rights of the minority. That is more important than the expressed will of the people.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This same argument could easily be made for interracial marriage. Both parties are free to marry someone of their same race. Why did they have to marry someone of a different race? Isn't the argument from the anti-SSM side always that attraction to someone is a choice? Wouldn't that same thing hold true about attraction to members of a different race? Wouldn't those people be able to choose not to be attracted to or be with a member of a different race? So then, why did they need to get married to members of a different race? Why did the SCOTUS force every state to provide marriages to interracial couples?
    And sadly enough, this was the EXACT reason as to why the Marriage License was created in the first place. It was invented after the Civil War and meant to prevent inter-racial marriage because some people thought it was icky and an affront to "traditional marriage".
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This same argument could easily be made for interracial marriage. Both parties are free to marry someone of their same race. Why did they have to marry someone of a different race? Isn't the argument from the anti-SSM side always that attraction to someone is a choice? Wouldn't that same thing hold true about attraction to members of a different race? Wouldn't those people be able to choose not to be attracted to or be with a member of a different race? So then, why did they need to get married to members of a different race? Why did the SCOTUS force every state to provide marriages to interracial couples?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, I don't have an equal right to marriage, no matter how much you want to pretend I do. I can't enter the contract of marriage with the person I want, and the marriage law on books is discriminatory.
    1. the law, in order to define marriage, must discriminate. that is a tautology.
    2. you are just as free to enter into a contract of marriage with the person you want to as the prisoner is. that he wants to marry someone who qualifies and you do not is not inequality before the law.

    both of you are equally restrained and freed in the regulation; it's just that you don't like the regulation. but not liking something is not the same as having a right to alter it.

    And you have yet to say why LGBT should be denied marriage rights.
    as i said, that's not why i entered this debate, and it's not what i've tried to address. nor will you find my answer in any way satisfactory. i wish you would address the point about society v government here.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is correct. adultery, for example, remains rather publicly taboo despite the fact that it is legal. and it's why I think - should they ever succeed - that homosexual marriage advocates are in for some disappointment.
    I doubt they would really care whether they are then accepted or not. I know I wouldn't care. I'd just be happy that I got to enter into a marriage contract with someone I loved and wanted to make a legal part of my family. That is what is important.

    Now, there might be a few gay people and/or SSM advocates who are disappointed if, once they get SSM, they are not accepted by society. Those will be a minority, though. Most will absolutely just be happy to have access to the same legal contract that heterosexuals do, that provides benefits and legal protections that are very important to most committed couples.
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