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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    polygamist rights?
    incest rights?


    you can play that game all day; once you turn marriage into a 'right' (recieving a marriage license is not a right for anyone), then everyone must have access to it irrespective.

    to define marriage is - in this sense - to descriminate; for as soon as you define something you set borders around and say "this but not that". you are basically complaining that we have a definition of marriage even as you decry that we do not have yours.
    But you've provided no proof that LGBT should be denied marriage rights. And the SCOTUS has stated that marriage is a right, so much so that even prisoners on death row can get married. Now why should someone on death row be able to get married and not LGBT people?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    polygamist rights?
    incest rights?


    you can play that game all day; once you turn marriage into a 'right' (recieving a marriage license is not a right for anyone), then everyone must have access to it irrespective.

    to define marriage is - in this sense - to descriminate; for as soon as you define something you set borders around and say "this but not that". you are basically complaining that we have a definition of marriage even as you decry that we do not have yours.
    Translation: You have no answer to the questions asked or way to defend your stance so you try to deflect BUT Ill play your games anyway just for fun, but Ill also be waiting for you to answer and stop being dishonest lol

    Pologamy - I have absolutely NO problem with it as long as it fits my mold of what I think EQUAL marriage is.

    as long as its CONSENTING, HUMAN, ADULTS than fine by me. Now the one obstical of Polygamy would only be the abundance of laws written to conform it. For example if the husband dies who gets what if theres no will, does it go in rank of 1st wife and so etc and stuff like that. If that could get worked out than Im all in, why? because its NONE OF MY BUSINESS who CONSENTING HUMAN ADULTS marry, to think otherwise would make me a pompous, selfish, hypocritical, jackass. I choose not to do that and love my fellow american.

    Incest - as far as "I" know there would be a victim, incest increases abnormalities I "think"
    but also if you look at our American history there was TONS of incest, and there is still incest in the Amish community. Its HUGE with them but its also causing a problem there to because it has a GENE effect after some many generations the same gens mixing, so again theres evidence of REAL victims and not made up ones.

    What else you got? anything logical and valid? the reality is you are the one playing games.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

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    But you've provided no proof that LGBT should be denied marriage rights.
    largely because i'm not trying to argue that. what i'm trying to argue here is that marriage being a social institution, the answer to "gay marriage - what is it really" (the OP) is that the gay marriage movement is a drive to seek social acceptance (equality, if you wish) via a social institution.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    largely because i'm not trying to argue that. what i'm trying to argue here is that marriage being a social institution, the answer to "gay marriage - what is it really" (the OP) is that the gay marriage movement is a drive to seek social acceptance (equality, if you wish) via a social institution.
    Equality by the government yes, equality by the people, well that is already here. Just with my generation. It is the older generation that is holding this up.

    Oh, and you never answered my question, why should a death row inmate be allowed to enter into a marriage, and not LGBT people?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they aren't. they are free to take or leave them as they will. however, for them to later complain that they do not access to the 'benefits' of marriage when the only legal 'benefits' they can name are - in fact - accessible to them is disengenious. hence, either they are all suffering from mental degeneration (unlikely), or their goal is not - in fact - those legal benefits.



    so are powers of attorney
    There is at least one benefit that is only accessible to a person's spouse, the right to not be forced to testify against your spouse in a legal hearing. That is not something that can be granted through any lawyer. I'm sure there are probably more though.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Translation: You have no answer to the questions asked or way to defend your stance so you try to deflect BUT Ill play your games anyway just for fun, but Ill also be waiting for you to answer and stop being dishonest lol

    Pologamy - I have absolutely NO problem with it as long as it fits my mold of what I think EQUAL marriage is.

    as long as its CONSENTING, HUMAN, ADULTS
    ah, but don't you realize that by defining marriage you are discriminating? the notion that the two involved should choose each other, for example, is as culturally-centered as the notion that those two should consist of one male and one female.

    Incest - as far as "I" know there would be a victim, incest increases abnormalities I "think"
    but also if you look at our American history there was TONS of incest, and there is still incest in the Amish community. Its HUGE with them but its also causing a problem there to because it has a GENE effect after some many generations the same gens mixing, so again theres evidence of REAL victims and not made up ones.
    certainly i agree that incest is not nearly the genetic bogey-man it is made up to be. over a long period within the same community is not the same as a single coupling - and the logic besides would invalidate the marriage of anyone with less than genetically desireable material.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they aren't. they are free to take or leave them as they will. however, for them to later complain that they do not access to the 'benefits' of marriage when the only legal 'benefits' they can name are - in fact - accessible to them is disengenious. hence, either they are all suffering from mental degeneration (unlikely), or their goal is not - in fact - those legal benefits.



    so are powers of attorney
    More BS an spin LMAO, its a nice fantasy world you live in. You're right its all a plot LMAO
    its discrimination plan and simple and all the ideas to discriminate against it were dumb and illogical when they were brought up for civil and women rights and they are still dumb and illogical today.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    largely because i'm not trying to argue that. what i'm trying to argue here is that marriage being a social institution, the answer to "gay marriage - what is it really" (the OP) is that the gay marriage movement is a drive to seek social acceptance (equality, if you wish) via a social institution.
    Social acceptance cannot be forced by any law. It took decades for interracial marriages to become socially acceptable by most people even after Loving v. VA made all interracial marriage legal in all states. What is legal is not always popular, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah, but don't you realize that by defining marriage you are discriminating?

    certainly i agree that incest is not nearly the genetic bogey-man it is made up to be. over a long period within the same community is not the same as a single coupling - and the logic besides would invalidate the marriage of anyone with less than genetically desireable material.
    again this is pure dishonest rubish, we send people that break the law to jail, techinincally thats discriminating against criminals, guess we should let them all free huh? see how dumb that is LMAO guess what else is matches? your examples.

    I am fine with the definition of marriage being between Human consenting adults, that include polygamy if they can figure out how to regulate it and to be honest if a group of SCIENTISTS proved that there arent any dangers to incest then it that wouldnt bother me either BUT the reality is it DOES do harm. Amish here in PA are having a real issue with it.

    Like I said let me know when you can answer my questions, because you have yet to do so LOL
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Equality by the government yes, equality by the people, well that is already here. Just with my generation. It is the older generation that is holding this up.
    equality before the law is already here. social equality... well it's coming along slowly; but most aren't yet willing to translate that into altering the definition of marriage to include homosexual couples as the 'equal' in that social institution to heterosexual ones. and that is true in every single state thus far (even blue california) that the matter has been put to the people.

    Oh, and you never answered my question, why should a death row inmate be allowed to enter into a marriage, and not LGBT people?
    well that's a rather different discussion; but i would posit that it is likely because the death row inmate has chosen in this instance to follow the law and submit an application that meets the state requirements for receiving a marriage license, whereas a homosexual couple (assuming two members of the same gender) has not.

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