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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Increasing the age would be fine by me, I'd have no problem with that and think it would be fine, I think it wouldn't work though unless its made 18 with NO exceptions. I only believe that because that's the age our society has picked for everything, voting, dying for your country, getting tried as an adult etc. Only drinking isnt 18.

    Can anyone tell me if there are states that you can be under 18 with permission or a co-signer of sorts?
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    South Dakota: Applicants 16 and 17 must have parental consent. South Dakota law does not permit marriage of those under 16.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm well aware that you could abuse the right to marry just as many people already do.

    You could also go out and rape someone, that doesn't make it right, that just means you can.
    Glad you agree that your opinions are for a different topic then, you ARE perceptive.
    The rape example has no merit, thanks.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Thanks
    Like I said Id be willing to go to 18 but higher than that would probably be an impossible sell.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Thanks
    Like I said Id be willing to go to 18 but higher than that would probably be an impossible sell.
    I'll change gears on you then and use a different example.

    Sure, people who plan to never ever carry a concealed weapon can go get a CCW....but who cares? No, you're right, the government doesn't require you to have a firearm at any point in your life while you have a CCW, but if you're not going to carry, why should anyone care whether you can get a CCW or not? Why should non-carriers be the focus of any push to give more more people access to a CCW.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'll change gears on you then and use a different example.

    Sure, people who plan to never ever carry a concealed weapon can go get a CCW....but who cares? No, you're right, the government doesn't require you to have a firearm at any point in your life while you have a CCW, but if you're not going to carry, why should anyone care whether you can get a CCW or not? Why should non-carriers be the focus of any push to give more more people access to a CCW.
    LMAO change gears all you want, your arguments have no merit for GAY marriage, only MARRIAGE.
    Like I said if you want to change marriage in general that's fine I have no problem with that but you dont discriminate against gays while doing so you bring them for the ride so we ALL improve.

    Also your example is dumb for 2 reasons, CWPs what I call them and have, do not discriminate against gays.
    Secondly since the MARRIAGE license isn't called a RIGHT TO BARE CHILDREN license it makes no sense what so ever. LMAO
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Book Antiqua"]I'm still waiting for you to source some support for your contention that gay marriage is changing gay culture in europe as is your assertion in post #124. You haven't done so as yet. why not?
    You don't have to look to Europe. We have same sex marriage in our country. Massachusetts was the first state in the union to legalize same sex marriage and it has the LOWEST divorce rate in the country. In fact, the divorce rate has been significantly DROPPING in Massachusetts since marriage equality was established there over half a decade ago. Whereas the Bible Belt states have the highest divorce rates and it is increasing.

    You need further evidence? Our neighbor to the north, Canada, was the fourth nation to establish marriage equality and it has a lower divorce rate than the United States.

    Nothing can save marriage in Europe. The institution is significantly different over there and only grants about 3/4ths of the rights as the institution does in the United States and Canada. Furthermore, countries like the Netherlands have established civil unions for heterosexual couples, which has significantly reduced the marriage rate as couples have opted for that alternative. In essence, civil unions and registered partnerships have done significantly more to harm marriage in Europe than allowing same sex couples to marry ever could have done.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-..._b_267259.html

    If you care about divorce as much as you claim you do, perhaps you ought to be a supporter of marriage equality.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You don't have to look to Europe. We have same sex marriage in our country. Massachusetts was the first state in the union to legalize same sex marriage and it has the LOWEST divorce rate in the country. In fact, the divorce rate has been significantly DROPPING in Massachusetts since marriage equality was established there over half a decade ago. Whereas the Bible Belt states have the highest divorce rates and it is increasing.
    I didn't, you did. So, you still can't/won't provide a link to an article, study, article about a study, blog or poem suggesting support for your assertion that gay marriage is changing gay behavior in europe. Thank you for your double standard.

    You need further evidence? Our neighbor to the north, Canada, was the fourth nation to establish marriage equality and it has a lower divorce rate than the United States.

    Nothing can save marriage in Europe. The institution is significantly different over there and only grants about 3/4ths of the rights as the institution does in the United States and Canada. Furthermore, countries like the Netherlands have established civil unions for heterosexual couples, which has significantly reduced the marriage rate as couples have opted for that alternative. In essence, civil unions and registered partnerships have done significantly more to harm marriage in Europe than allowing same sex couples to marry ever could have done.

    Bruce Wilson: Divorce Rate in Gay Marriage-Legal MA Drops To Pre-WWII Level


    Evidence of just what exactly. Western europe, canada and those blue states that have legitimized the concept of gay marriage have seen divorce rates drop. They have also seen the number of marriages drop. They have also seen declining birth rates. In europe's case critically low replacement rates. In america liberal families produce fewer children than traditional families do. Is there a correlation? Is it possible that humanistic culture encourages risks when they change the traditional rational for marriage? I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure but it's something that should be considered if you want to avoid a population collapse. Societies do need people after all.

    If you care about divorce as much as you claim you do, perhaps you ought to be a supporter of marriage equality.
    I care about my people. I care about the culture that has nourished and sustained them for so long. You view this as a civil rights issue. I view it as a political issue..........rooted in culture. Ok, let's simply divorce our cultures. You go your way, let us go ours. Let the blue state adopt gay marriage, let the red ones keep a traditonal marriage intact.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It was only in the last hundred years that a woman was given the legal ability to refuse to have sex with her husband. Yes, that's right, "I'm her husband" was a defense against rape.
    I would like to point out that it has only been less than 12 years in our own military that the UCMJ was changed on this.

    When I joined in '98, the UCMJ still stated that rape could only happen if the people were not married. It was changed shortly after, and the person could still get charged with another UCMJ article if they were raping their wife (I believe they put it under "disobeying an order" or whichever one applies to breaking civil laws), but it wasn't an actual violation of the UCMJ rape Article until it was changed.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I didn't, you did. So, you still can't/won't provide a link to an article, study, article about a study, blog or poem suggesting support for your assertion that gay marriage is changing gay behavior in europe. Thank you for your double standard.

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    Evidence of just what exactly. Western europe, canada and those blue states that have legitimized the concept of gay marriage have seen divorce rates drop. They have also seen the number of marriages drop. They have also seen declining birth rates. In europe's case critically low replacement rates. In america liberal families produce fewer children than traditional families do. Is there a correlation? Is it possible that humanistic culture encourages risks when they change the traditional rational for marriage? I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure but it's something that should be considered if you want to avoid a population collapse. Societies do need people after all.



    I care about my people. I care about the culture that has nourished and sustained them for so long. You view this as a civil rights issue. I view it as a political issue..........rooted in culture. Ok, let's simply divorce our cultures. You go your way, let us go ours. Let the blue state adopt gay marriage, let the red ones keep a traditonal marriage intact.
    Who are your people? obviously not ALL Americans just the ones you choose not to discriminate against.


    There were probably people that thought minority rights, women rights and interracial marriage wasnt about civil rights either, they were wrong then just like they are wrong today too.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I didn't, you did. So, you still can't/won't provide a link to an article, study, article about a study, blog or poem suggesting support for your assertion that gay marriage is changing gay behavior in europe. Thank you for your double standard.

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    Evidence of just what exactly. Western europe, canada and those blue states that have legitimized the concept of gay marriage have seen divorce rates drop. They have also seen the number of marriages drop. They have also seen declining birth rates. In europe's case critically low replacement rates. In america liberal families produce fewer children than traditional families do. Is there a correlation? Is it possible that humanistic culture encourages risks when they change the traditional rational for marriage? I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure but it's something that should be considered if you want to avoid a population collapse. Societies do need people after all.



    I care about my people. I care about the culture that has nourished and sustained them for so long. You view this as a civil rights issue. I view it as a political issue..........rooted in culture. Ok, let's simply divorce our cultures. You go your way, let us go ours. Let the blue state adopt gay marriage, let the red ones keep a traditonal marriage intact.
    Why do we need so many people? Less people on the planet is a good direction as far as I'm concerned.

    Besides, it would seem then that you wouldn't have so much of a problem with allowing these things, since it would mean less "liberals" being born, and eventually lead to your side having a supermajority to get whatever you want put into place, even constitutionally.

    Also, we are all one country. We cannot allow a state or group of states to allow such discrimination just because they don't want to be tolerant. It didn't work with Jim Crow laws or segregation, it won't work now. If they absolutely can't handle equality, then they should find a different country to live in. Otherwise, accept it and move on.
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