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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Civil unions is equal protection. The same benefits straight couples have should be afforded to them.

    Marriage is a religious institution at its root. If Gays want civil unions, fair enough. But marriage is religious domain and if the religious do not want to let them in. They should accept it, be happy with civil unions and move on.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I tend to view the issue as a political payoff for support of the democratic party and it's use of identity politics. Why didn't you include that as an option?
    Because...

    a) I'm not a Democrat, but I still support same sex marriage.

    b) If something is good, I don't care who is using it for their political gain. Support for a particular issue, like same sex marriage, should be about the issue, not the party or a particular candidate or how any of those use that issue. You can always support an issue and not the person/party that is pushing it. If not, then you are playing politics yourself.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Civil unions is equal protection. The same benefits straight couples have should be afforded to them.

    Marriage is a religious institution at its root. If Gays want civil unions, fair enough. But marriage is religious domain and if the religious do not want to let them in. They should accept it, be happy with civil unions and move on.
    Except some religions have let them in and give same sex couples a religious marriage, ceremony and all. It is the government that doesn't accept their marriage.

    And there are plenty of religions who don't want to recognize even some opposite couples as married, including second marriages after a divorce when it is against the church and interfaith marriages. These marriages, while not recognized by a person's/couple's own religion(s), are still recognized by the government as being in a legal marriage contract.

    Plus, legal marriage is given to opposite sex couples all the time who do not participate in any religion or even have a religious ceremony.

    Religion does not own marriage.

    If such a "compromise" were the only way, then every couple should have to accept it, opposite and same sex couples.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Marriage is a religious institution at its root. If Gays want civil unions, fair enough. But marriage is religious domain and if the religious do not want to let them in. They should accept it, be happy with civil unions and move on.
    No it's not, at it's roots, marriage is for cementing alliances between families, and historically it's a polygamous and patriarchal system. And even if you were to go with the religious path, marriage has existed as far back as ancient Greece, and they had a certain fondness for buggery.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Religion does not own marriage.

    If such a "compromise" were the only way, then every couple should have to accept it, opposite and same sex couples.
    That is fine. If they find a priest willing to do the ceremony. Good for them.

    Still a civil union in paper and should remain as such until the religious (no idea for US but in UK Church of England) accepts it. Which it won't.
    It shouldn't be forced to change. In UK Straight people cannot get a civil union only a marriage. I can't speak for US because I have no idea how it is there.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    No it's not, at it's roots, marriage is for cementing alliances between families, and historically it's a polygamous and patriarchal system. And even if you were to go with the religious path, marriage has existed as far back as ancient Greece, and they had a certain fondness for buggery.
    Gays have civil unions which is legally the exact same as marriage. The same rights and benefits.
    I support civil partnerships and unions for the gay community however the moment any Gay community tries to force religious institutions through Parliament into acknowledging marriage for them is when they lose my support and the motion passing through Parliament which is trying to make this happen will have my MP's opposition and will most likely fail not only in UK Parliament but also the EU Court of Human Rights.
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What about those of us who are for gay marriage, but don't support the Democrat party?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That is fine. If they find a priest willing to do the ceremony. Good for them.

    Still a civil union in paper and should remain as such until the religious (no idea for US but in UK Church of England) accepts it. Which it won't.
    It shouldn't be forced to change. In UK Straight people cannot get a civil union only a marriage. I can't speak for US because I have no idea how it is there.



    Gays have civil unions which is legally the exact same as marriage. The same rights and benefits.
    I support civil partnerships and unions for the gay community however the moment any Gay community tries to force religious institutions through Parliament into acknowledging marriage for them is when they lose my support and the motion passing through Parliament which is trying to make this happen will have my MP's opposition
    In the US, we don't have one religion because we have freedom of religion. Which means that no law or discrimination can be justified with "religion owns that word". It doesn't work. We don't have to have a priest marry us or a church approve of our legal marriages, which are really just contracts.

    My own marriage took place in the front yard of a relative with a Navy wife as the officiant. She had gotten her "license" (or whatever it is called) to legally sign the marriage licenses for the state my husband and I were married in over the internet, which was also how I contacted her, since I was in Hawaii but we were getting married on the mainland. She had no set religion, she would do a ceremony however the couple wanted it, for a fee. She told me that about two weeks before our wedding, she had officiated over a ceremony in a hot tub. My husband and I are neither religious, although we both believe in a higher power and come from religious families.

    No religion has a right, in the US, to tell the government that they should not recognize certain couples' marriages because they don't believe that the couple "fits" the true definition of marriage. The marriage license is a legal contract, not a religious one.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Because...

    a) I'm not a Democrat, but I still support same sex marriage.

    b) If something is good, I don't care who is using it for their political gain. Support for a particular issue, like same sex marriage, should be about the issue, not the party or a particular candidate or how any of those use that issue. You can always support an issue and not the person/party that is pushing it. If not, then you are playing politics yourself.
    So, you agree the issue is a political one being used by the democratic party for political gain?
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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No religion has a right, in the US, to tell the government that they should not recognize certain couples' marriages because they don't believe that the couple "fits" the true definition of marriage. The marriage license is a legal contract, not a religious one.
    US is amongst those countries which is secular. In UK, we have a established religion and institution COE and Protestants playing a role and having a opinion in our laws. They sit in Parliament and can vote/oppose a law if they choose to.

    In UK, I think Gays have nothing to complain about compared to US where they can't even adopt or be recognised as a couple in all states.
    I think US Gays should be lobbying for civil unions and maybe they will pick up more support from the religious in US. Rather than trying to use the term 'marriage'.


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    Re: Same sex marriage: what is it really?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    So, you agree the issue is a political one being used by the democratic party for political gain?
    I personally think both sides are using it for political gain, just in opposite ways.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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