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Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

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Alfons

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Socialists, Democrats, Communists, Liberals etc. have already founded Internationale Alliances, everybody, but not Conservatives who are still separated in the US and European parts. What you think about, is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives will establish an United Movement for Saving of Western Christian Civilization and its Great Values because the problems are equal around the big pond.
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Alfons said:
Socialists, Democrats, Communists, Liberals etc. have already founded Internationale Alliances, everybody, but not Conservatives who are still separated in the US and European parts. What you think about, is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives will establish an United Movement for Saving of Western Christian Civilization and its Great Values because the problems are equal around the big pond.
For additional Information well-known Geert Wilders already has made the first step through establishment of International Freedom Alliance, please vote.

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The only problem is that the idea of conservativism range so much across the planet. Whereas with liberals or socialists, it's the same old same old idea since the first civiliazation: "lets throw money we don't have everywhere.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The only problem is that the idea of conservativism range so much across the planet. Whereas with liberals or socialists, it's the same old same old idea since the first civiliazation: "lets throw money we don't have everywhere.
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Thats republicans too. Just to their own groups. ;)
 
American conservatives have nothing in common with Euro conservatives. Different species.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
The only problem is that the idea of conservativism range so much across the planet. .
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I am talking about the Idea of Western Christian Conservatism.The only point is saving of our great Western Christian Free Civilization.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
American conservatives have nothing in common with Euro conservatives. Different species.
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Unfortunately both have too much common enemies like liberals, socialists, islamofascists, atheists.
BTW I am speaking about true conservatives, not about racists, Nazis etc.
 
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Alfons said:
Socialists, Democrats, Communists, Liberals etc. have already founded Internationale Alliances, everybody, but not Conservatives who are still separated in the US and European parts. What you think about, is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives will establish an United Movement for Saving of Western Christian Civilization and its Great Values because the problems are equal around the big pond.
For additional Information well-known Geert Wilders already has made the first step through establishment of International Freedom Alliance, please vote.

GEERT WILDERS INTERNATIONAL FREEDOM ALLIANCE

Do not forget to describe your opinion.
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You did fine until you specified Christian. While in general I have nothing against Christians personally I firmly believe that Religion needs to stfo of politics. Conservatism does not equal Christian. Chrisitians might need conservatism but conservatism does not need Chrisitans.
 
Alfons said:
I am talking about the Idea of Western Christian Conservatism.The only point is saving of our great Western Christian Free Civilization.
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Western Christian Civilization? Last time I checked, the United States wasn't a Christian country, and even in Europe, more and more people are holding an agnostic view.

Furthermore, I might be wrong in this, but you seemto be implying that somehow liberalism, and "the left" is going to destroy Western culture and democracy. To put it bluntly, that's crazy.
 
If Euro conservatives and US conservatives can find enough common ground to make an alliance over, no reason why not.
 
Alfons said:
I am talking about the Idea of Western Christian Conservatism.The only point is saving of our great Western Christian Free Civilization.
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:lol: Will that include all Christian denominations?
 
spud_meister said:
:lol: Will that include all Christian denominations?
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Interesting question. For example, there is much of catholic doctrine that many would find to be very liberal.
 
European Conservatives with American ones?

Hah.
Completely different.
People would have to reach out to the ultra nationalist right in Europe to even get close to how US Conservatism is.
 
Laila said:
European Conservatives with American ones?

Hah.
Completely different.
People would have to reach out to the ultra nationalist right in Europe to even get close to how US Conservatism is.
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Off topic here but just had to say that I like your avatar Laila, but I loved your previous one better. :)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Off topic here but just had to say that I like your avatar Laila, but I loved your previous one better. :)
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Thank you :)

That one?
< :2wave:
 
When it comes to foreign affairs, I think it is possible, as has been done in the past. Otherwise, I am quite certain this thread sucks.
 
Laila said:
Thank you :)

That one?
< :2wave:
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You're welcome. :) And nope. It was a gal in a hood? bluish white? ....*man I hope I'm not thinking of someone elses avatar! lol*

EDIT! DOH! I WAS thinking of someone elses avatar! lol Tashah's avatar. Oh well..still like the one of yours though. :)
 
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This would never happen because European Conservatives and American Conservatives are too different. I used to live in Germany and they have a lot of political parties, and there might be some that are similar to the US... but those parties in Germany are minority parties..
 
I also don't believe there are any alliances between the major political parties internationally... Of course they work together, but it doesn't matter who Germany, England, etc. elect. Bush worked with Merkel and now Obama is working with her... lol. I don't think there is an alliance.
 
There is so much philosophical difference of the conservatives from the two "nations"
Here the Euro Union is an economic nation, stronger in a way than ours..
I do not think that it is a good idea for the conservatives to unite internationally, or, for that matter, any political group..
 
Lol, European conservatives... you mean those ones who support the expansion of the NHS; a program supported by roughly 86% of the population, and who make Obama look like a right wing loon?

Those European conservatives? I don't think Americans realize just how radically to the right their political spectrum is relative to the rest of the world. I suppose you could form a superficial "alliance" with the BNP.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Conservatism does not equal Christian. Chrisitians might need conservatism but conservatism does not need Chrisitans.
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Here you are wrong, because only strong Christianity is a foundation of any strong Conservativism.
 
repeter said:
Western Christian Civilization? Last time I checked, the United States wasn't a Christian country, and even in Europe, more and more people are holding an agnostic view.
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Europa is too liberal, therefore the Christianity is practically dead, but the U.S. was founded as a Christian Country and thanks the Christian Fundamentalist Churches the Christianity is still alive. The Western Christian Civilization without a strong and powerful Christianity will be transformed to a Sharia state.
 
repeter said:
If Euro conservatives and US conservatives can find enough common ground to make an alliance over, no reason why not.
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There are enough common grounds:

1. Islamofascism as the biggest threat to our Free societies
2. Too much leftism and liberalism which have killed our values.
3. Declination of Christian and Conservative values.
4. An effective economical alliance
5. Fight against Outsourcing to "cheap" ( only today, but not tomorrow !) countries in Asia.
6. Cooperation in Military Politic
7. Common politic for higher child birth rates.
 
Alfons, I wonder who you consider to be "Christian", and how liberal Christians fit into any society you envision. For example, what do you think of the Unitarian denomination?

I find that most Christians who talk about the American conservative platform as if it were handed down by God to also be Christians who want to define Christianity in a narrow fashion.

I also wonder if you even know the ideological history of Christianity in the U.S... You do know, for example, that evangelical Christianity was in the forefront of the economically liberal policies that were developed in the first part of the 1900s? Like progressive taxation and the welfare state and so forth.
 
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