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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Conservatism does not equal Christian. Chrisitians might need conservatism but conservatism does not need Chrisitans.
    Here you are wrong, because only strong Christianity is a foundation of any strong Conservativism.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Here you are wrong, because only strong Christianity is a foundation of any strong Conservativism.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Western Christian Civilization? Last time I checked, the United States wasn't a Christian country, and even in Europe, more and more people are holding an agnostic view.
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    Europa is too liberal, therefore the Christianity is practically dead, but the U.S. was founded as a Christian Country and thanks the Christian Fundamentalist Churches the Christianity is still alive. The Western Christian Civilization without a strong and powerful Christianity will be transformed to a Sharia state.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    If Euro conservatives and US conservatives can find enough common ground to make an alliance over, no reason why not.


    There are enough common grounds:

    1. Islamofascism as the biggest threat to our Free societies
    2. Too much leftism and liberalism which have killed our values.
    3. Declination of Christian and Conservative values.
    4. An effective economical alliance
    5. Fight against Outsourcing to "cheap" ( only today, but not tomorrow !) countries in Asia.
    6. Cooperation in Military Politic
    7. Common politic for higher child birth rates.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Alfons, I wonder who you consider to be "Christian", and how liberal Christians fit into any society you envision. For example, what do you think of the Unitarian denomination?

    I find that most Christians who talk about the American conservative platform as if it were handed down by God to also be Christians who want to define Christianity in a narrow fashion.

    I also wonder if you even know the ideological history of Christianity in the U.S... You do know, for example, that evangelical Christianity was in the forefront of the economically liberal policies that were developed in the first part of the 1900s? Like progressive taxation and the welfare state and so forth.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Here you are wrong, because only strong Christianity is a foundation of any strong Conservativism.
    And here you totally discount any athiest conservatives that there may be. Conservatism is about preserving things. While I'm sure most Christians definitely want to conserve the old ways you are not the only ones. Others just wish to preserve the Constitution and could care less about some religion.
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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Here you are wrong, because only strong Christianity is a foundation of any strong Conservativism.
    I guess I'd better start making a list of what it means to be a conservative, because it seems to keep radically shifting. Okay, let's see...
    1. Strong Christianity
    2. Agreement with X Factor
    3. Hate and fear are okay so long as it's pointed at Muslims
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Thats republicans too. Just to their own groups.
    I wasn't talking about republicans, i specified:

    The only problem is that the idea of conservativism range so much across the planet. Whereas with liberals or socialists, it's the same old same old idea since the first civiliazation: "lets throw money we don't have everywhere.
    conservatives. You're just trying to turn my post into fallacy to take away from the main point.

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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Alfons, I wonder who you consider to be "Christian", and how liberal Christians fit into any society you envision. For example, what do you think of the Unitarian denomination?

    I find that most Christians who talk about the American conservative platform as if it were handed down by God to also be Christians who want to define Christianity in a narrow fashion.

    I also wonder if you even know the ideological history of Christianity in the U.S... You do know, for example, that evangelical Christianity was in the forefront of the economically liberal policies that were developed in the first part of the 1900s? Like progressive taxation and the welfare state and so forth.
    Wasn't just about...everyone a christian at that time though? or at least claimed to?

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    Re: Is it a good idea if the US and European Conservatives found an united Movement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Off topic here but just had to say that I like your avatar Laila, but I loved your previous one better.
    "Hoorah, hoorah, for southern right's hoorah...hoorah for the bonnie blue flag that bears a single star...."

    That's the first thing that comes to mind when i see her current avatar anyway :/

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