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    Is founding fatherism a religion?

    In a debate today, someone tried to settle a point by referencing what one of the founding fathers thought about it instead of arguing the point on its own merits.

    Is there some sort of religion out there that I am not aware of that considers these guys the end all and be all of argumentation as opposed to a person using their own reasoning?

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In a debate today, someone tried to settle a point by referencing what one of the founding fathers thought about it instead of arguing the point on its own merits.

    Is there some sort of religion out there that I am not aware of that considers these guys the end all and be all of argumentation as opposed to a person using their own reasoning?
    Some people (mostly conservatives) feel that the founding fathers' opinions on government should trump those of people alive today. I'm inclined to disagree. While I think their opinions should be respected, I believe that they should be given less weight than the people alive today who actually have to live under our government.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Some people (mostly conservatives) feel that the founding fathers' opinions on government should trump those of people alive today. I'm inclined to disagree. While I think their opinions should be respected, I believe that they should be given less weight than the people alive today who actually have to live under our government.
    That's pretty much how I feel. Also, they made a good social advancement away from monarchy, but we have progressed since then.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. That is true for the Constitution wavers who think the Founders had auras of light around their noggins.

    A perfect example is the tariff. The Founders put it in the original Constitution but modern conservatives HATE THE TARIFF with a passion reserved for little else. They think we should take other parts of the Constitution word for word as they think they mean (amendments 2 and 10 are among their favorites) but the language in the original Constitution about tariffs - not so much.

    Its all a means to an end and the end is their own political agenda.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That's pretty much how I feel. They made a good social advancement away from monarchy, but we have progressed since then.
    Of course ya'll disagree with the spirit of what the Founders laid out; it's in direct contradiction with your Liberal agenda.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest. That is true for the Constitution wavers who think the Founders had auras of light around their noggins.

    A perfect example is the tariff. The Founders put it in the original Constitution but modern conservatives HATE THE TARIFF with a passion reserved for little else. They think we should take other parts of the Constitution word for word as they think they mean (amendments 2 and 10 are among their favorites) but the language in the original Constitution about tariffs - not so much.

    Its all a means to an end and the end is their own political agenda.
    Well, take the constitution word for word, except for that whole separation of church and state of course

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, take the constitution word for word, except for that whole separation of church and state of course
    Another good example.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In a debate today, someone tried to settle a point by referencing what one of the founding fathers thought about it instead of arguing the point on its own merits.

    Is there some sort of religion out there that I am not aware of that considers these guys the end all and be all of argumentation as opposed to a person using their own reasoning?
    I guess it is like a religion, because people often cherry pick what is important to follow and what should be obeyed when discussing the founders... All of them didn't agree about everything. Jefferson especially didn't think this country was founded on religion, but proponents of that specific idea will ignore him, his quotes, and the bible he (re)wrote.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    It's not a religion, just a feeling that political philosophy had more or less been perfected, though with room for improvements here or there in the flesh.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    There is no better reference point to understand the writings of the founders than the founders themselves.

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