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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Well, take the constitution word for word, except for that whole separation of church and state of course
    Whose promoting the Fairness Doctrine?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Whose promoting the Fairness Doctrine?
    Heck if I know. The only people who seem to ever talk about it are conservative pundits.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course ya'll disagree with the spirit of what the Founders laid out; it's in direct contradiction with your Liberal agenda.
    The founders weren't fortune tellers and couldn't see foresee things like stem cell research, modern infrastructure, cyber laws, or the civil rights movements... it's really just a matter of personal inference on a lot of things now.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Heck if I know. The only people who seem to ever talk about it are conservative pundits.
    Amen. Its the big bad liberal boogy man that is supposed to take them off the air.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    The way I see it the Founders laid the basic groundwork for the Constitution, but since times have changed and society as a whole has changed. What the Founders said and believed are not as relevant as their were back then.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Heck if I know. The only people who seem to ever talk about it are conservative pundits.
    Denial is such a wonderful thing.

    I haven't ever heard anyone suggesting a state sponsored religion, as you're suggesting.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The founders weren't fortune tellers and couldn't see foresee things like stem cell research, modern infrastructure, cyber laws, or the civil rights movements... it's really just a matter of personal inference on a lot of things now.
    The Constitution blocks any of that? Not really, huh?
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    The way I see it the Founders laid the basic groundwork for the Constitution, but since times have changed and society as a whole has changed. What the Founders said and believed are not as relevant as their were back then.
    The Bill of Rights is just as relevant now as it was 230 years ago, perhaps moreso, since it's come under such heavy assault over the past few years.
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Denial is such a wonderful thing.
    Lack of evidence and denial are not the same thing.

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    I haven't ever heard anyone suggesting a state sponsored religion, as you're suggesting.
    That is not what I am suggesting. The first amendment prohibits the intermingling of religion and state. While a state sponsored religion is a subset of that, there is also more to it.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    I just did a quick google search and this guy thinks the founders were socialists. It turns out Jefferson was kind of a socialist president in his time.

    The Founding Fathers demanded socialism. Section 8 of Article I, for example, empowers Congress “To establish Post Offices and post Roads.” That same Section also authorizes Congress “To raise and support Armies,” and even “To provide and maintain a Navy.” Although the text does not preclude privatization of these public institutions — indeed, they continue to include entrepreneurial elements to this day — the Framers understood that they would certainly have public, social elements as well. Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams — among others — all signed this document. They agreed that the new national government would facilitate communication and defense through taxation. They agreed that these essential services would not have to be purchased on the open market. They agreed that these services would not be limited to those who could pay fair market value.

    The author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson (who skipped the Constitutional Convention in favor of traipsing off to Paris during that hot summer in 1787), also supported the fledgling Nation’s foray into socialism. Perhaps the greatest of all of America’s socialized institutions, the Nation’s modern highway system, was begun in 1806 by then-President Jefferson’s authorization of the Cumberland (National) Road. Transportation, too, was deemed to be one of the Nation’s essential services that could not be relegated to private industry.

    The Congress did President Jefferson one better. It socialized the great bulk of America’s navigable waterways in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. The founding generation recognized early on that the national government needed the power regulate interstate commerce—this was written into Article I of the 1787 Constitution—and waterways provided the most important channel of commerce. The national government, using this authority, opened America’s internal waterways to commerce. These immense “social” highways proved a boon to entrepreneurial activities (and perhaps saved the Nation).

    Communication, transportation and mutual defense provide only the most obvious examples of the Founding Father’s interests in socialized institutions. Contrary to some popular reports, many in the founding generation had “republican,” communitarian leanings. Our forefathers were not devout disciples of Adam Smith, let alone Herbert Spencer (who in the mid-nineteenth century infamously coined the phrase, “survival of the fittest”). They were pragmatists, capitalists and socialists, willing to try whatever was necessary to insure that the American experiment did not fail.
    JURIST - Forum: Our Socialist Founding Fathers

    Thank god the disgusting socialist Thomas Jefferson gave us a highway system.


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