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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    The Supreme Courts exists to make decisions based on the constitution. >>

    Um, actually, no. Over its long history, it has also considered English common law, natural law, and common sense. I wouldn't be surprised if they also considered international law, especially in that which comes in the form of treaties ratified by the Federal government.>>

    The Magna Carta, too, I'll wager...

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If I make you pay for my t-bone steak dinner I can claim the 9th amendment gives me that right?
    True, but it's also my right is to say NO to anything you you try to force on me.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I guess you're not familiar with the 9th Amendment, then. Or the 5th.

    Listed rights shall not be used to deny other rights.Is there a standard in what is considered other rights retained by the people? Since I claim that I have the right to right to make you buy me a t-bone steak dinner then it doesn't matter what the 5th says because listed(enumerated) rights can not be used to deny or disparage me my "right to make you pay for make t-bone steak dinner".
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Confused about the fairly straightforward nature of the Constitution? Don't worry, that's what the courts are there for!
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Confused about the fairly straightforward nature of the Constitution? Don't worry, that's what the courts are there for!
    If it was fairly straight forward as you say then why do you people think judges should be allowed to ignore the founding forefathers intentions?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it was fairly straight forward as you say then why do you people think judges should be allowed to ignore the founding forefathers intentions?
    Why do you think it is appropriate for you to say "you people" when speaking to me specifically?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it was fairly straight forward as you say then why do you people think judges should be allowed to ignore the founding forefathers intentions?

    Why do people such as you assume that you know best what the intentions of the founding fathers were?
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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If a majority feels this way, then it is only right that this is the direction civilization turns.

    See, this is why we need to retain the original intent and strict constructionism of the Constitution as our national frame of reference and supreme law... otherwise we devolve into populism.

    What if the majority felt that rape should be legal? What if 51% felt it should be legal to abuse/mistreat/discriminate against the other 49%? Unrestricted "democracy" was something the Founders were smart enough to fear... with very good reason.

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    Re: Is founding fatherism a religion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The founders are not so much a religion as they are a fantasy. They were revolutionaries first, then became statesmen out of pure necessity (once the war was won, somebody had to set up a new government). As revolutionaries they were for change. Monumental change. George Washington's own Mother disowned him because he wouldn't stop going to those clandestine "overthrow the government' meetings. Conservatives today should look deep inside themselves and realize that they wouldn't have been on board with that kind of far left-wing change.

    Once Independence was in the bag, they rounded up the most educated colonists that they could find. This included individuals from the full political spectrum.

    These founders did not invent democracy. They had simply studied all forms of government up until their present day, using the best selections gleaned from their knowledge of present and past civilizations. They had escaped a monarchy. They were steadfast in their agreement that government would never again rise up tyrannically against the will of the people.

    Their three branches of government with the system of checks and balances is still a monumental stroke of genius.

    Many colonists had come to this continent to escape religious persecution. The founders simply made religion untouchable by the government.

    The whole Bill of Rights is really just a laundry list that was accidentally omitted from the constitution. The fact that the constitution is amendable is proof that the founders knew that neither could they foresee all impending necessities of the new government, they were wanting their idea of a near perfect democracy (republic) to be able to be corrected until the end of time.

    They knew that anything that they stated would be subject to re-approval time and time again.

    Taking direct quotes from ~1781 and using them as "religion" is a fools errand that our founders would not have sanctioned.
    Modern Liberals need to stop embarassing themselves, by saying that they are the political decendents of the Founders.
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