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Thread: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    so when an unwise citizenry does not know that their nation is extremely good, there will be no extreme nationalism?
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Welcome to modern America. Without realizing what we had, we are now doing everything in our power to change our country away from its constitutional foundation and I fear we will change to something far worse.
    We are doing everything in our power to change our country away from its constitutional foundation? Examples please... I am glad to be welcomed to modern America, but I will miss my slaves.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Murdering en masse? Got a link for that?
    Do you know anything about Italy other than 'it looks like a boot'?

    Second Italo-Abyssinian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Among other things, the Treaty of Peace with Italy signed between the Italian Republic (Repubblica Italiana) and the victorious powers of World War II on February 10, 1947 in Paris, included Italy's formal recognition of Ethiopian independence and an agreement to pay $25,000,000 in reparations. Ethiopia became an independent nation again, and Haile Selassie was restored as its leader. At the time of this treaty, Ethiopia presented Italy with a bill of its own for damages inflicted during the course of Mussolini's colonial adventure. Claimed were the loss of 2,000 churches, the loss of 525,000 houses, and the slaughter and/or confiscation of six million beef cattle, seven million sheep and goats, one million horses and mules, and 700,000 camels. The bill for this presented to the Economic Commission for Italy came to 184,746,023.[47]
    In addition, these human losses were recorded by the Ethiopians:
    275,000 - combatants killed in action; 78,500 - patriots killed during the occupation (1936-1941); 17,800 - civilians killed by bombings; 30,000 - massacre of February 1937; 35,000 - persons who died in concentration camps; 24,000 - patriots executed by Summary Courts; 300,000 - persons who died of privations due to the destruction of their villages.
    The Total was 760,300 human losses.[47]Of course the Italians complained about this huge amount, arguing that real ethiopian casualties were half those losses[62]
    Are you going to dispute the meaning of en masse?

    While it's true that every facist government to date has killed alotta people, Franco and Mussolini can't be placed in the same ballpark as Hitler. It's apples and oranges.

    Hell, allied bombing killed more people than Franco and Mussolini.
    Ah so now Mussolini wasn't as bad as the other guys? lol mkay there.

    Doesn't surprise me that you've never heard of the bachelor tax. You're huddling around the fantasy that Mussolini was somehow running his own version of the Holocaust.

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    Did you read the rest of my statement? Obviously not considering you have proven time and time again that you can't read.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    I can't believe the cowardice in this thread.

    Extreme nationalism motivated the American population into over drive so that it could face the extreme nationalism of Japan and Germany. Families were recycling, buying war bonds, and going without for the war effort. Hollywood churned out a never ending wave of nationalistic movies about who the good guys and bad guys were. This extreme nationalism carried on as the world watched Americans on the moon beating out the Soviet's Sputnik achievement.

    The truth is that cultures and populations define what it's extreme nationalism entails. The most powerful nation in the world post World War 1 was the U.S., yet it was the U.S. that moved to create the League of Nations so that power could be shared and checked. The most powerful nation in history in the post World War 2 was the U.S., yet it was the U.S. that moved to create the United Nations so that power could be shared and checked. Throughout these highs in American nationalism, the U.S. recognized that it came with responsibility. This is not the case for others who have used their extreme nationalism to motivate death and destruction and to instigate world crisis. Someone used Iraq. Did we assault across the landscape of the ME building concentration camps and prescribing mass executions or did it stay defined within the borders and hand over the nation to its democratic and prospering people? Someone brought up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Did we go on to drop bombs all over the world or become the leading voice to control the development and use of such weapons? We have controlled our power and remained true to our core ideals no matter how powerful we got and along the way, extreme nationalism has been the motivator.

    So when somebody asks the question about nationalism, one should honestly consider the cultures involved rather than pretending that we are all one globally ****ed up family too weak to wield power positively. The international world's greatest fear is that they are powerless to prevent us from doing whatever we want. However, their fears are grounded not on our historical example (which they will exaggerate in order to create legitimacy), but on their own culture's decrepit examples. Why should American nationalism and pride be shunned for the sake of others who defined their nationalism and pride by the blood soaked ground around them?
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    I have, but what was bad? We won the Iraq War.
    The most powerful country on the planet attacked one of the weakest, and we still have thousands of troops there to prevent rebellion and protect the oil. Does that mean we won?

    This war is one of the best examples of why extreme nationalism is not a good thing.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    This is not about Iraq, but you will be answered...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The most powerful country on the planet attacked one of the weakest, and we still have thousands of troops there to prevent rebellion and protect the oil. Does that mean we won?
    Yes. Iraq is in the hands of Iraqis and what ever remains from our forces are advisors only. Much the same as every nation we have been in since World War II. The war was won a long time ago and their fate is in their own hands. Success or failure is up to them. Our mission is complete. Of course, if they fail, you will rage about our failure as if we should have stayed indefinately to hold their hands. You will have Iraq a failure no matter what so why am I bothering?


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This war is one of the best examples of why extreme nationalism is not a good thing.
    This war is an example of nothing of the kind and if this is all you have to go on when defining extreme nationalism than you have missed the boat. There were no concentration camps, no ethnic slaughter, no new dictator, and and no intent to conquer and remain. From the beginning the mission was clear enough (to the honest of us) and now we are gone in accordance to our own agenda. We did not have to be forced out and we did not have to answer to any war crime behavior. Our "extreme" nationalism watched Iraqis freely vote on the laws that would govern them and then in elections. There are many examples in history of what cultures outside the U.S. do with their power and extreme nationalism. Perhaps you should look into them and then place the U.S. into perspective. But that wouldn't fit your expressed agenda, right?

    So do you have any real evidence of extreme nationalism being a force for negativity and evil on behalf of America? I remind you that extreme nationalism motivated this country against the Germans and the Japanese. Other than grabbing at straws and seeking to exaggerate exceptions, you have none. Extreme nationalism from America has been historically positive for the world. And you are being foolish if you still pretend that Iraq's future success hasn't anything to do with the entire region's health.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you know anything about Italy other than 'it looks like a boot'?

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    Are you going to dispute the meaning of en masse?



    Ah so now Mussolini wasn't as bad as the other guys? lol mkay there.



    Did you read the rest of my statement? Obviously not considering you have proven time and time again that you can't read.
    You didn't even read your own evidence, did you?

    Campagna concentration camp, located in Campagna, a town near Salerno in Southern Italy, was an internment camp for Jews and foreigners established by Benito Mussolini in 1940.

    The first internees were 430 men captured in different parts of Italy. Most of them were Jewish refugees came from Germany, Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Dalmatia, there were also some British citizens and a group of 40 French and Italian Jews. The number of inmates, during the three years varied considerably, ranging between 230 (February 1941) and 150 (September 1943).

    The camp was never a concentration camp in the German sense of the term. Internees were allowed to receive food parcels and visit sick relatives. In addition, there were no mail restrictions. None of the internees were killed or subjected to violence. In fact, the internees were constantly protected from deportation to Germany, as the Nazis requested. Prisoners were allowed to organize a library, school, theater and a synagogue.

    In September 1943 Italy capitulated and the Allied troops invaded South Italy. In response the German troops invaded Italy from the North. However, by the time they got to the Campagna concentration camp, all the inmates had alredy fled to the mountains with the help of the local inhabitants.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This is not about Iraq, but you will be answered...
    I didn't bring up Iraq -

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace
    "I have, but what was bad? We won the Iraq War."

    Yes. Iraq is in the hands of Iraqis and what ever remains from our forces are advisors only. Much the same as every nation we have been in since World War II. The war was won a long time ago and their fate is in their own hands. Success or failure is up to them. Our mission is complete. Of course, if they fail, you will rage about our failure as if we should have stayed indefinately to hold their hands. You will have Iraq a failure no matter what so why am I bothering?
    All other nations have removed their troops. As of November we still had 48,000 troops there including my son because the new govenment we set up there cannot stand on its own.

    Without extreme nationalism brought on by unfounded fear promoted by the administration, it is my opinion the American people would never have agreed to attacking one of the most defenseless countries on the planet at the time due to our previous Persian Gulf war and ten years of brutal sanctions.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Considering that Ultra-nationalism always leads to government thuggery towards a group of people that the ultra-nationalists manage to convince the majority of the said nation's citizens for said nation's woes, Im going to say no.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Considering that Ultra-nationalism always leads to government thuggery towards a group of people that the ultra-nationalists manage to convince the majority of the said nation's citizens for said nation's woes, Im going to say no.
    Though that's not nationalism, generally that's xenophobia.
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