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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Obviously, I would argue that it is a good thing. Nationalism is merely the love of one's own people-- the people to whom one's moral obligations are strongest.
    You've defined patriotism, not nationalism. The two are very different things. Nationalism is a form of chauvinism. Nationalism is always bad. Patriotism is always good. But to be patriotic, there has to be something worthy of being patriotic about.

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    But in America, it's a good thing, yes?
    America need more Patriotism, more Conservative Values, more Right-Wingers, more Christianity, more Tea Party, more U.S. Constitution, more Palin, Robertson, Limbaugh etc., fewer Obamamunism, but not a new Hitler!
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    I think a lot of people on both sides of the aisle misinterpret American Exceptional-ism. Being the melting pot of the world, we have incorporated a lot of values from a lot of cultures into one society. What brought about American Exceptional-ism was the freedom to take the best aspects of every culture in the world, mesh them into our society and thrive from the benefits.

    That does not mean that a person born or living in America is automatically more exceptional than any individual in any society any where. But, as a function of the freedom that is recognized by the Constitution, we have been able to excel free from the bondage of over bearing governments.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    I have, but what was bad? We won the Iraq War. And the health care reform really is a bad thing.
    What on earth are you talking about?

    How do those things have anything at all to do with what I said?
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You've defined patriotism, not nationalism. The two are very different things. Nationalism is a form of chauvinism. Nationalism is always bad. Patriotism is always good. But to be patriotic, there has to be something worthy of being patriotic about.
    Actually, nationalism and patriotism are purdy much the same thing.

    It all boils down to what one thinks is, "extreme". Mussolini didn't think he was being one bit extreme.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    I'm a nationalist, I don't think it's a bad thing, and as long as you don't tie anything else into nationalism, like race or religion, it's not a bad thing at all.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    As far as I am concerned any ideology based off attachment to an artificial identity is a bad thing.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    But in America, it's a good thing, yes?
    Oh, its good in America, but not Germany?
    Extremism is run-away emotions.
    Solace, of you, I wonder...

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I'm a nationalist, I don't think it's a bad thing, and as long as you don't tie anything else into nationalism, like race or religion, it's not a bad thing at all.
    There's nothing wrong with nationalism, as long as it doesn't lead to any sorta stupid ****. Race, religion, color, creed, national origin, political leanings, whatever.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    We should define what extreme is. It's not bad for a country to create a national identity. It's not bad for a country to advocate national unity as a value. That's good because it allows for political cohesion. However when a country advocates cohesion at the cost of say.... a few thousand lives, that's extreme. Nationalism doesn't truly become extreme until people start dying as a result of it.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 12-29-10 at 02:23 AM.
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