View Poll Results: Is extreme nationalism ALWAYS bad in every situation?

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Thread: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    exactly. American nationalism, for example, tends to be tied less to notions of blood and land, and more to our founding ideals.

    is extremism in defense of liberty a vice?

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    exactly. American nationalism, for example, tends to be tied less to notions of blood and land, and more to our founding ideals.

    is extremism in defense of liberty a vice?
    Again, even if the said ideal is noble, it can be turned into something bad.

    I'd say SOME of the opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque had tinges of nationalist sentiment.

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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Look at the poll. Overwhelmingly, people said that extreme nationalism is always bad. This is because people don't think and are automatically wired to see "extreme" as bad. Europeans example of extremism culminated into fascism and communism. The Middle East's examples of extremism culminates into Al-Queda, Hamas, the PLO, the Muslim Brotherhood. But what has American extremism culminated into?
    The deaths of hundreds of thousands of people over the control of oil. That's the problem with extreme nationalism, it tends to make people blind to horrible things done in their name.
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    Re: Is extreme nationalism really a bad thing?

    So mobilizing an entire American culture behind the war effort to defeat the Japanese and the Germans was mere regular nationalism? If we went on to conquer the world with this nationalism and oppressed it then we would call it "extreme" nationalism? It makes no sense. Culture is more important than anything else when it comes to defining these things.
    Many American's were highly isolationist up until the war. FDR may have been going for a fight from the beginning, but the entire American populace wasn't convinced until after Pearl Harbor and the German declaration of war. Most importantly, we were aware of our own weaknesses when the conflict began. We avoided direct confrontation with both Japanese and Germans at first because our forces were too small and needed time to be built up.

    Extremism is associated to all the bad things in history. Therefore, we can't fathom a nation that has displayed it for good time and again. We deny it and pretend that there's such a thing as "regular" nationalism even though it has culminated into massive mobilizing movements for the good of man kind. But we can't get over our traditional thinking and how we attribute words.
    Even terrible attributes may be occasionally useful, that doesn't make them a generally good idea. Stalin is the best example of that. His forced industrialization and callous ability to sacrifice millions of lives ended up being vital in defeating Germany. The problem is that most of the time men like Stalin simply commit terrible atrocities without mitigating acts of good. Overall, the negative consequences far outweigh the potential use.

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