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Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

Should they?

  • yes

    Votes: 31 30.7%

  • no

    Votes: 63 62.4%

  • other

    Votes: 7 6.9%
  • Total voters
    101
Le Marteau said:
You're so ignorant and xenophobic it hurts. If a Frenchman or a Brit could lead your country to greatness, why refuse out of sheer fear? If he's willing to become the leader, he's quite clearly an adoptive patriot of the US, and if people like him enough that the issue has come up on a national level, it must be that he's got some good ideas. Why let abject fear of the unknown get in the way? It's a very fundamentally stupid thing to do.
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If that were true would present day britain and france be........great?
 
Plato said:
I have probably spent no more than ten months of my life on US soil.

I am a foreigner that was educated overseas.

And I am pretty confident that I would beat 75% of American born US citizens in a "knowledge of US history and politics" contest. Possibly 95% actually. And I 'aint that good either.

Why don't Americans trust the American people to make the right decision? What's wrong with Tom Paine, Arnie Shwartzenegger, Carey Grant, Stan Laurel, Christopher Hitchens...? Just Americans that I can recall off the top of my head that were not born as such. These guys are all what its about aren't they? They actually renounced the foreign princes. In Paine's case with some style and at considerable risk to himself.
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I'm a total fan of cary grant.

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Dutch said:
If that were true would present day britain and france be........great?
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Well, our country is called Great Britain. XD

But, in all seriousness, France and Britain (along with the US, China and Russia) are two of the five most powerful nations on Earth, and are peerless outside of the Security Council (which makes up the Bismarckian Great Powers of today), so, yeah, I'd say Britain and France are pretty "great".
 
Le Marteau said:
Well, our country is called Great Britain. XD

But, in all seriousness, France and Britain (along with the US, China and Russia) are two of the five most powerful nations on Earth, and are peerless outside of the Security Council (which makes up the Bismarckian Great Powers of today), so, yeah, I'd say Britain and France are pretty "great".
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Neither Perfidious Albion nor Petit Francais deserve to be on the UN Security Council. India and Japan should replace the Euros.
 
Viktyr Korimir said:
Naturalized citizens are often more patriotic than natural-born citizens. I have no problem with allowing anyone who has demonstrated leadership and service to their country to run for any office.

Is Governor Schwarzenegger any less of an American than President Obama?
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Yes... he is Austrain.
 
Le Marteau said:
Right, so, am I allowed to call this racist? Or is that also against the code of conduct?
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Is Austrain a race? No. So call it racist and report it. As a Californian, I don't think much of the stupid ****ing Austrian either...
 
Le Marteau said:
Er... Austrian certainly is a race. It's a sub-race of the Germanic peoples.
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Austrian is an ethnicity or nationality, not a race. Races are Caucasion, Negroid, Mongoloid and one or two others...
 
Bodhisattva said:
Austrian is an ethnicity or nationality, not a race. Races are Caucasion, Negroid, Mongoloid and one or two others...
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You're arguing semantics, here. If Austrian is an ethnicity, and Albert makes anti-Austrian statements, he is still being racist.

Besides, he's quite racist to Europeans at large, anyway.
 
Le Marteau said:
You're arguing semantics, here. If Austrian is an ethnicity, and Albert makes anti-Austrian statements, he is still being racist.

Besides, he's quite racist to Europeans at large, anyway.
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Sure, I guess. I don't really care why he is doing whatever... it just isn't racist. It might very well be rude and offensive, but that is on him. He might be the first anti-European that I have seen here, but that hardly balances the many anti-Americans here at DP.
 
Only if they've been a citizen for 25 years or more.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sure, I guess. I don't really care why he is doing whatever... it just isn't racist. It might very well be rude and offensive, but that is on him. He might be the first anti-European that I have seen here, but that hardly balances the many anti-Americans here at DP.
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It's fine to be anti-European, anti-American, anti-whatever, as long as you've got real reasons. Albert appears to just hate indiscriminatorily, on weak reasons that fall flat when examined.
 
Le Marteau said:
I don't know why I continue to feed this troll, but, do you have any good reason, besides your abject and childish hatred of all things European?
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You feed the Troll because he is so far outside your experience that you are curious.
 
Le Marteau said:
It's fine to be anti-European, anti-American, anti-whatever, as long as you've got real reasons. Albert appears to just hate indiscriminatorily, on weak reasons that fall flat when examined.
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Isn't a weak reason a real reason... just weaker reason than a stronger reason?

I find myself to be anti-anti for no reason what so ever...
 
Le Marteau said:
Right, so, am I allowed to call this racist? Or is that also against the code of conduct?
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Nope. It's a different form of prejudice than racism. Nobody in America will defend stupid Britain or stupid France. Nobody here likes you folks. How's that for clarity?
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
When I'm poking my thumb into other people's eyes it's best to get out of the way. In any event, NZders and the folks in Oz are fine.
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I jump at the chance to get in the way... it is what I do. I have it the best, as an American living in NZ.
 
Le Marteau said:
It's fine to be anti-European, anti-American, anti-whatever, as long as you've got real reasons. Albert appears to just hate indiscriminatorily, on weak reasons that fall flat when examined.
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There is a reason. It's called decadence. Your entire branch of western civilization is rotten, and threatens to contaminate the other branch of Western Civilization. Ideas that arise within the European left make their way to America. America is already infected with European social democracy.

Your country and its continent are a bad influence. Fortunately, your influence is receding as Europe declines.
 
spud_meister said:
And, if she'd lost the election, the bloke that would've been PM instead is British born. (we relegate politics to foreigners, kinda like driving taxis, it's one of those jobs Aussies don't want to do:mrgreen:)
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And Gillard isn't British-born??? Australia does have a British head of state, so why not a British head of government.

The U.S. has a presidential system of government rather than parliamentary. Typically, the head of government in such a system (who is also usually head of state, though in some countries, it is kind of muddled) has more power than the head of government in a parliamentary system...
 
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