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Thread: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Careful what you wish for folks...

    I thought Schwarzenegger did pretty well for California?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I thought Schwarzenegger did pretty well for California?
    Ehhhh....yes and no. I think he slowed a general downward spiral and put the brakes on a bad situation getting worse. He sort of ham-handed everything else, but I do think he kept an admittedly very bad situation left by his predecessor from getting significantly worse.

    He inherited a screwed up situation and didnt completely nose-dive it, so I have to give him that
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    True.

    But it would make recruiting a long-term mole harder for a rival state, if they had to recruit a natural-born citizen.

    Still, that's not the only reason.

    A life-long citizen who has grown and lives in the USA is more likely to understand many aspects of the country than a recent immigrant - and we're asking them to lead the country.
    I have probably spent no more than ten months of my life on US soil.

    I am a foreigner that was educated overseas.

    And I am pretty confident that I would beat 75% of American born US citizens in a "knowledge of US history and politics" contest. Possibly 95% actually. And I 'aint that good either.

    Why don't Americans trust the American people to make the right decision? What's wrong with Tom Paine, Arnie Shwartzenegger, Carey Grant, Stan Laurel, Christopher Hitchens...? Just Americans that I can recall off the top of my head that were not born as such. These guys are all what its about aren't they? They actually renounced the foreign princes. In Paine's case with some style and at considerable risk to himself.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Don't forget the Aussie PM Julia Gillard is Welsh, though she lost her accent growing up in Adelaide.
    Is Adelaide the Birmingham of Australia? That drawl of Gillard's...it just sounds awful...the worst Australian accent you can imagine.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    I had to vote no because it really depends on the case (and I'm not even going to go into the fact that it's unconstitutional):

    Case A: Immigrant is born in country X, but comes to America at a young age and has fully adapted to the US.

    Answer: Sure, they understand how the US works and have adopted the US as their home.

    Case B: Immigrant has just recently immigrated to the US

    Answer: No, seeing as how they do not understand US culture and politics.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    You're so ignorant and xenophobic it hurts. If a Frenchman or a Brit could lead your country to greatness, why refuse out of sheer fear? If he's willing to become the leader, he's quite clearly an adoptive patriot of the US, and if people like him enough that the issue has come up on a national level, it must be that he's got some good ideas. Why let abject fear of the unknown get in the way? It's a very fundamentally stupid thing to do.
    If that were true would present day britain and france be........great?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Plato View Post
    I have probably spent no more than ten months of my life on US soil.

    I am a foreigner that was educated overseas.

    And I am pretty confident that I would beat 75% of American born US citizens in a "knowledge of US history and politics" contest. Possibly 95% actually. And I 'aint that good either.

    Why don't Americans trust the American people to make the right decision? What's wrong with Tom Paine, Arnie Shwartzenegger, Carey Grant, Stan Laurel, Christopher Hitchens...? Just Americans that I can recall off the top of my head that were not born as such. These guys are all what its about aren't they? They actually renounced the foreign princes. In Paine's case with some style and at considerable risk to himself.
    I'm a total fan of cary grant.

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I thought Schwarzenegger did pretty well for California?
    considering he was like, one of five or six republicans in an entire state dominated by the democratic party.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    If that were true would present day britain and france be........great?
    Well, our country is called Great Britain. XD

    But, in all seriousness, France and Britain (along with the US, China and Russia) are two of the five most powerful nations on Earth, and are peerless outside of the Security Council (which makes up the Bismarckian Great Powers of today), so, yeah, I'd say Britain and France are pretty "great".

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I thought Schwarzenegger did pretty well for California?
    Californians don't think much of this stupid ****ing Austrian.

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