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Thread: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    If such a law could be changed so quickly, then shouldn't every single article in the ammendment be changed. If the only argument for changing this law is "because we can", then I suppose any party not only can, be should change anything and everything be it can be changed.

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The States are, they have their own forms of constitutions. The State's ratified the Constitution, but it's not like nothing was voted on or changed. People had influence and many States came back with changes here and there. In the end, the Constitution itself is not a government, it is a contract between the ones creating the government "We the People" and the government intended to be created. It is ceding to the government, loaned from the People. There was a lot of debate and inquiry and input on behalf of the people towards the creation of the Constitution.
    It is still a restriction.

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    There is no pedestal, I called the Constitution what it was, it's a contract. It is not itself the series of laws constructed by government. It is a list of things government is allowed to do, what powers it has, what powers it must share, and what it is forbidden from doing. That's all. The restriction on people outside the US being allowed to run for President is a restriction on the government; not by the government.
    Restricting the government does not make it a non-law. It just means that it is a law that applies to the US government. Mining regulations may not directly affect you, but they are still laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, there's lots of restrictions on government.
    Ideally, like any restriction, they are placed there for good reason. There was good reason to have this restriction in 1789, when the election for head of state had often lead to war or compromising of a weak country by stronger ones.

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    I do not see the need to outsource our highest office just yet. I see no need to open ourselves further to foreign influence when we have what it takes to do the job right here at home. There is no necessity for it, and till that becomes true there is no point in allowing the added risks which come from outsourcing our Presidency.
    It's not outsourcing if they are also Americans. There is no real cost to give our voters a choice of candidates that could be inept in one additional way to the countless ways that current candidates are inept.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    But the whole examining a person's mind thing presumes a difference that is inherent to immigrants to begin with, a superficial and maybe artificially created presumption at best - I mean, look at people who have been citizens all their lives and yet want the country to fall.
    No, it presumes that there is more likely to be negative views towards the US in the mind of a someone not of the US, as opposed to a person born & raised here.

    As I said, the law by no means eliminates the possibility that someone with negative designs towards the US might become president. I'm sure some would agree that Obama is such a one. And Bush II. And Clinton. And Bush I... Need I go on?

    Point is, it’s more likely that someone NOT born and raised in the US (or to and by US parents, as I don’t think “natural born” requires birth on US soil – not clear on details, fully) would have such designs.

    Thus, as a precaution, it seems reasonable to me.

    And it’s not like it really limits the field of choice all that much, since there are quite a few people in the US to choose from. Of course, for some reason all the ones who show interest seem crappy lately, but…
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Question to those that voted yes. What current foreign leader would you want as the President of the USA?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I voted yes but I would like some rules applied to it.

    I actually never thought about it before just now when I read the question. Originally I was like HELL NO but then once I thought about it I cant really come up with any good logical reason for a blanket no.

    Our government system is set up with the president at top but there is checks and balances to keep him in check and secondly if he makes president that means WE elected him! So I definitely think the answer is yes.

    I would like a time limit on it though and some rules. Of course you would have to become a citizen and then be a citizen and live here for a certain amount of years. 10+
    Just glancing through this thread I still havent come up with any good reason to vote know with how our government is set up
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Question to those that voted yes. What current foreign leader would you want as the President of the USA?

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    Huh??? What does this have to do with the question in the OP..

    You know, there are many people who are born OUTSIDE the U.S.A. who are citizens at birth, you know that, right???
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Huh??? What does this have to do with the question in the OP..

    You know, there are many people who are born OUTSIDE the U.S.A. who are citizens at birth, you know that, right???
    There are also many people born outside the USA who become naturalized citizens. Frankly most of them do a heck of a lot more to earn their citizenship than the people who are citizens by birth.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    How does one define "natural-born?" According to Shakespeare, that would exclude anybody who came out via a c-section (not "natural" born).

    I think that you should be allowed to under some restrictions. My kids were born in Russia, so as it sits now, I can't raise them to believe that they could be President. I do think that the person should have "made their life here" in some significant sense. Like maybe spent a majority of your adult years in the US?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    If someone came here when they were like 5, I don't really see why not. They can already serve in pretty much all other branches of the government (save for maybe intelligence, it's hard to get clearance if you're not a natural born citizen or from an allied country and burn your passport from there and stuff).
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Huh??? What does this have to do with the question in the OP..

    You know, there are many people who are born OUTSIDE the U.S.A. who are citizens at birth, you know that, right???
    Maybe I am wrong, but I thought the OP was referring to those who are not USA citizens at birth. Otherwise they would meet the birth qualification, would they not?

    Quote Originally Posted by U.S. Constitution Online
    •Anyone born inside the United States *
    •Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
    •Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    •Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    •Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    •Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    •A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
    * There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.

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    What I was getting at is, what would be the point of changing the Constitution, if the results would be unlikely to improve.

    Also, you do realize that the constitutional change would have to be approved by the politicians in Congress and the states and probably 80% of those politicians think they should be President and would not want the additional competition.

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