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Thread: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    But it would make recruiting a long-term mole harder for a rival state, if they had to recruit a natural-born citizen.
    Ehh, maybe a little. Still, is this really a big concern? The only time I've ever seen anything like this is in The Manchurian Candidate. Has it ever actually happened in the real world? It strains the limits of my imagination to believe that A) a foreign nation would take the trouble to train a mole, B) this would go unnoticed by the voters, and C) precisely this person would become one of only 43 people to ever hold the office of President of the United States. If a foreign nation was so inclined, it would be far easier to just buy off whoever was already the president.

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    A life-long citizen who has grown and lives in the USA is more likely to understand many aspects of the country than a recent immigrant - and we're asking them to lead the country.
    But voters can take that into consideration anyway. If they feel that the candidate (regardless of his place of birth) doesn't understand many aspects of the country, they won't elect him. There are plenty of personal characteristics that I personally think the president should and should not possess...but I wouldn't enshrine any of them into the Constitution. There can always be exceptions, and the voters should be able to decide for themselves.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    The American people would NEVER vote for a recent immigrant though.
    You say that now - but I'm sure there is or at some point will be at least one out there charismatic enough and a good enough actor to pull it off.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    If this individual is true Christian, true Patriot, true Conservative, true Republican ( not a RINO ), why not?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as President of the United States:

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

    To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Has worked well so far. Why change?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You say that now - but I'm sure there is or at some point will be at least one out there charismatic enough and a good enough actor to pull it off.
    Obama.
    Wait for it. Wait for it....

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    If this individual is true Christian, true Patriot, true Conservative, true Republican ( not a RINO ), why not?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    I would say no because excluding nationalized citizens makes our system of election simpler. Xenophobia and isolationism both have played out culturally in this country before and adding these elements to our current (Birther aside as an aberration) elections would just add more sludge to think about.

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    The Founders of this country weren't stupid, they made the requirement for a reason. We have plenty of Americans to chose from, no need for foreigners.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    If this individual is true Christian, true Patriot, true Conservative, true Republican ( not a RINO ), why not?
    No, I disagree.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    I don't see how it's a problem, people won't elect someone who became a citizen yesterday anyway, and for the people suggesting a long term mole, it's just as equally likely they'll recruit a citizen. Our PM here was born in Wales, she's doing as expected, and, if trends continue, our next PM (current leader of the opposition) was born in England.
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