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Thread: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    I disagree - I think it is broken since citizens are being denied the equal chance to run for presidency purely on the basis of not being naturalized - regardless of how long ago that was [as in, while somebody who only recently became a citizen should have to wait a little bit longer before being able to, somebody who moved here,. and lived here for 10 years for example should have the full right to run].
    We do not need to outsource our Presidency. There are plenty of natural born citizens capable of doing the job; we need not look elsewhere. The system is fine.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We do not need to outsource our Presidency. There are plenty of natural born citizens capable of doing the job; we need not look elsewhere. The system is fine.
    There are also immigrants that could do the job just as well, if not better. How is allowing people to duly elect someone who is just as much an American citizen as you or me "outsourcing"? I understand the original rule. The Founding Fathers did not want foreign governments using our head of government as a puppet like they did in Poland, but I do not see why haven't moved past this.
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    There are also immigrants that could do the job just as well, if not better. How is allowing people to duly elect someone who is just as much an American citizen as you or me "outsourcing"? I understand the original rule. The Founding Fathers did not want foreign governments using our head of government as a puppet like they did in Poland, but I do not see why haven't moved past this.
    We do not need to open ourselves up to rule by foreigners. It's not necessary. There are enough people to draw from here to find someone who can do the best job. We haven't moved past that because it is still a concern. It's like asking why we haven't moved past gravity.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    John Mccain was allowed to run...

    I think when people are born in a foreign country, but adopted by American parents, they should be allowed to run too

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    John Mccain was allowed to run...

    I think when people are born in a foreign country, but adopted by American parents, they should be allowed to run too
    Gah... still?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We do not need to open ourselves up to rule by foreigners.
    Ok, why do we need natural born citizens? If there is a qualified candidate, why should an accident of birth bar him as long as he is a United States citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not necessary. There are enough people to draw from here to find someone who can do the best job. We haven't moved past that because it is still a concern. It's like asking why we haven't moved past gravity.
    So you are saying that there is a realistic chance of an agent of another country coming here, being elected, and then allowing his homeland's government influence us?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Ok, why do we need natural born citizens? If there is a qualified candidate, why should an accident of birth bar him as long as he is a United States citizen?



    So you are saying that there is a realistic chance of an agent of another country coming here, being elected, and then allowing his homeland's government influence us?
    really, any chance of that happening should be quashed.

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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really, any chance of that happening should be quashed.
    Did you use a car this morning? You could have died in a car accident!! What were you thinking?

    We take risks everyday. We accept the possibility of a negative outcome, but what are the chances of this actually happening without their political allies, voters, and media noticing?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Various pundits' claim that Barrack Obama is a natural-born citizen, but his upbringing and Kenyan father still managed to make him "anti-colonial." I see this as ridiculous, but it is at least possible. What if he did have these opinions? Should he have been allowed to run? If "anti-American" feeling can be engendered in a natural-born citizen, why are naturalized immigrants different in their ability to run?
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    Re: Should individuals born in foreign countries be able to run for president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Ok, why do we need natural born citizens? If there is a qualified candidate, why should an accident of birth bar him as long as he is a United States citizen?
    There are typically assimilation times necessary for immigrants to become "Americanized" for lack of a better term. I do not want to be beholden to the ideals and needs of other States. The POTUS needs to be concerned with American ideals and needs. Nothing prevents any given individual candidate from being able to know and understand it. Perhaps someone who is a first gen immigrant can understand that and uphold those ideals. But that's not a given. In fact if you look at the aggregated statistics you see that it is not the generalized case. Given this fail mode and the fact that we have plenty of individuals born and raised here whom are equally qualified, it seems unnecessary to me to open up the process to foreigners.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    So you are saying that there is a realistic chance of an agent of another country coming here, being elected, and then allowing his homeland's government influence us?
    There is that off chance, but I'd be more willing to say that there is a time necessary for growing up in this country to become aware of all the American idiosyncrasies. Our ideals and values and what we wish to uphold. These sorts of ideals vary widely across nations. Someone "fresh off the boat" may not grasp those finer details (just as we may not be able to understand the ideals of other places). The idea of having natural born citizens only being allowed to run for POTUS is, in part, to isolate ourselves from some of those affects. I see no reason why we should remove the interlock. We have plenty of qualified individuals already here who can do the job just as well; we do not need to open ourselves up to foreign influence.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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