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Thread: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Those who said NO seem to ignore the fact that ALL presidents are remembered whether they deserve it or not. A better question would be, will his deeds be favorably judged by history.
    Hell, that isn't even given anymore. Just look at how FDR is judged - either he saved us from the Great Depression or he extended it a decade. Or Reagan - either he single-handedly brought down the Soviet Union or he was out to disnefranchise minorities and gays.

    Presidents are judged, you're absolutely right. But it's all subjective.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    O so its the best kind of conspiracy theory, the kind thats still a secret but not a secret if only one can see the truth!

    The world isn't a right/left binary system, and the right, as well as the left, aren't monolithic beasts. There is no leftist conspiracy because like any term that includes millions of people there are subdivisions within it and questions about who and who doesn't belong to that group.
    You can play gotcha games all you want, but there is an agenda. They'd be stupid not to have one.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    As government gets bigger and has more control over society it gets gradually more difficult to take back that power...

    The trend is that presidents tend to make things worse while they promise to make it better.
    Nothing new here... The only parts of government that have control over us is the IRS, DOD, FICA FBI, NSA, and airport security. Tell me, are you really that disconnected, or is it just another feeble attempt to discredit Obama?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Trust me, leftists know exactly what they are doing.
    Yes, it's one of our many advantages over conservatives.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, it's one of our many advantages over conservatives.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Nothing new here... The only parts of government that have control over us is the IRS, DOD, FICA FBI, NSA, and airport security. Tell me, are you really that disconnected, or is it just another feeble attempt to discredit Obama?

    ricksfolly
    No... that was without going through the hassle of adding an essay to a series of one and two liners... all I would say is look at how much else has been federalized :
    - 'no child left behind'
    - 'obamacare'
    - DHS through the patriot act and other legislation
    - the 'give act' (which was changed in such a way that it omitted the 'mandatory' wording for what would effectively be Obama youth (also read; New york times, "DHS working with boyscouts"))
    I could go on... and this isn't a matter of Bush good, Obama bad.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    75 percent, really... Hard to believe there are so many closet Afro-American haters out there.

    ricksfolly

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    75 percent, really... Hard to believe there are so many closet Afro-American haters out there.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I agree...
    But consider that Bush got the country to hate him through the direction he was taking the country, so in unison the majority of americans jumped into Obama's arms on the promise of 'change'... but that 'change' was to take what Bush was doing and amp it up a few notches.

    SO, while we can vote out Obama... we have to make sure that we are not voting IN someone who is much worse.
    The problem with the country IS the government.
    Where people are misled is when they think that government - more so - A figure IN government - is going to fix all the problems that government has caused.

    Everyone campaigns on "going to Washington to clean up that mess" - and they don't. They can't. So we flop to the complete opposite side and hope they'll do a better job . . . and on and on. . . .flip flop flip flop.

    If a new president, new focus or new congress would fix the problems then we would SEE fixes everywhere- but we don't . . . our government is self-destructive because they worry more about partisan crappery than what's actually best FOR the country.

    Everyone's talking about 'changing' and 'hoping' and having 'faith' - EVERYONE - it's a mindnumbing mantra that Obama and even Beck drone on about . . . but things will never actually change.

    In part I see part of the problem is that when we do START to do things right we don't stick with it long enough -it takes a lot of time for things to pan out positively and actually work and people either get to hasty and impatient or we move on and end things before anything really gets going.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can play gotcha games all you want, but there is an agenda. They'd be stupid not to have one.
    Whats wrong with having an agenda? Conservatives have an agenda too don't they?

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