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Thread: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not only would one have to believe Barack Obama is socialist, one would also have to believe that after his presidency there is nothing possible for anyone to do after he leaves office. Will anyone here really say that Obama is so powerful, and they are so weak, that regardless of who is elected after him, and after that next President, that they will be unable to change anything?
    Incremental change my friend, that's what they are all about. You saw what happened with something major like Obamacare, didn't you? Did you see the uproar. That was a big mistake, because it came too much too fast. They thought the time was ripe for that much change, but were mistaken. Next time they will approach it much differently.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Incremental change my friend, that's what they are all about. You saw what happened with something major like Obamacare, didn't you? Did you see the uproar. That was a big mistake, because it came too much too fast. They thought the time was ripe for that much change, but were mistaken. Next time they will approach it much differently.
    So you're a conservative, push back. Again is anyone really going to say there's no stopping it like its some leftist tsumani?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not only would one have to believe Barack Obama is socialist, one would also have to believe that after his presidency there is nothing possible for anyone to do after he leaves office. Will anyone here really say that Obama is so powerful, and they are so weak, that regardless of who is elected after him, and after that next President, that they will be unable to change anything?
    As government gets bigger and has more control over society it gets gradually more difficult to take back that power...

    The trend is that presidents tend to make things worse while they promise to make it better.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So you're a conservative, push back. Again is anyone really going to say there's no stopping it like its some leftist tsumani?
    It's not a tsunami, it's gradual erosion. That's why leftists get highly pissed at groups like the Tea Party, because they are spoilers. Trust me, leftists know exactly what they are doing. The other thing they do is play with the language, and what words mean. Read my signature, metaphysical subtleties is all part and parcel to playing with the language. Multiculturalism (i.e., divide and conquer) is part of it too.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Not only would one have to believe Barack Obama is socialist, one would also have to believe that after his presidency there is nothing possible for anyone to do after he leaves office. Will anyone here really say that Obama is so powerful, and they are so weak, that regardless of who is elected after him, and after that next President, that they will be unable to change anything?
    Some things can be changed, but others can't. It won't be possible to eliminate Obamacare entirely. Obama has been wildly successful. He has permanently transformed America. The indolent class will feed on the livestock class as long as America exists.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's not a tsunami, it's gradual erosion. That's why leftists get highly pissed at groups like the Tea Party, because they are spoilers. Trust me, leftists know exactly what they are doing. The other thing they do is play with the language, and what words mean.
    Now you are suggesting a conspiracy theory, that leftists say one thing but all secretly have a different goal in mind.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Now you are suggesting a conspiracy theory, that leftists say one thing but all secretly have a different goal in mind.
    No, it's all out in plain sight, if you can see.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Trust me, leftists know exactly what they are doing.
    If you came to some of the Trotsky cell meetings with me you would change your opinion in a matter of an evening.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    No, it's all out in plain sight, if you can see.
    O so its the best kind of conspiracy theory, the kind thats still a secret but not a secret if only one can see the truth!

    The world isn't a right/left binary system, and the right, as well as the left, aren't monolithic beasts. There is no leftist conspiracy because like any term that includes millions of people there are subdivisions within it and questions about who and who doesn't belong to that group.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Those who said NO seem to ignore the fact that ALL presidents are remembered whether they deserve it or not. A better question would be, will his deeds be favorably judged by history.

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