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Thread: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's good to look at his own words. I prefer more complete quotes:
    If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system...

    Given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. Youíve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up. Why not single payer?
    He is still talking about dismantling the system based on private property in the first two paragraphs. The last....

    People donít have time to wait. They need relief now. So my attitude is letís build up the system we got, letís make it more efficient, we may be over timeóas we make the system more efficient and everybodyís coveredódecide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.
    ....seems to be his route to get there. As a matter of fact it does cover the route he actually went. Make everyone pay for a service, then decide how to relieve them of the system some more.

    Did I read it wrong?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Obama is more as a Socialist, Mr. Barry Soetoro is a Muslim, a little Communist, hater of Christians, a President without long - form Birth Certificate, a Member of an Racist Black Power "Church" of Mr. Jeremia Wright in Chicago.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    The man has enacted some socialist reforms though? And he wants to enact more.

    And you prefer the way things were before social security?
    Or 200 years ago when some of us were slaves?
    Or when men were expected to die on the job ?
    Communism gave socialism an unfortuniate stigma.
    Not every step that man takes is in "the right direction".
    Progress must be refined, we may be "getting carried away".

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Obama is more as a Socialist, Mr. Barry Soetoro is a Muslim, a little Communist, hater of Christians, a President without long - form Birth Certificate, a Member of an Racist Black Power "Church" of Mr. Jeremia Wright in Chicago.
    These thoughts seem to be based on hatred and fear......but try to get these out of your system.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    It doesn't matter if he actually is socialist or not. The question is will he go down in history as the man who made America socialist. The general population thinks of him as socialist. Oh?
    which poll(conducted intelligently)
    You should be smart enugh to know that this is NOT true.
    Not the general population, but fools...
    Too much Rush and Glen, not enough NPR or just plain reading...

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    I know he will, what do you think?
    No, he isn't a socialist -- but history would view him more favourably if he was, and he did.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Obama is a moderate, what would have been called a liberal Republican four decades ago.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post


    Your version of events is most interesting. Since there was no danger of socialism in the first place.

    The worse there would have been, would have been a public option, a bit of competition to the insurance companies. And we all know that competition is bad
    LOL how can anyone compete with government? They can print money, borrow money, rack up as much debt as they want to compete. Private insurance companies can't do that. How about competition across state lines instead?
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually he is quite consistent on this. The quote I gave was from August 2008 in New Mexico at a campaign stop(Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care - Washington Wire - WSJ), or in other words, 5 years after the youtube video and what he was actually campaigning on. Since then he has continued in the exact same theme:Campaigning on Single Payer? | FactCheck.org
    The health care bill that passed doesn't allow for this and I suspect he knew that in advance.

    So what Iíve said is, letís set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and youíre happy with it, you donít have to change doctors, you donít have to change plans ó nothing changes. If you donít have health care or youíre highly unsatisfied with your health care, then letís give you choices, letís give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. Thatís been my proposal.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Obama isn't a socialist. However, he is a transformative figure. He is the most successful leftist president in more than two generations. He has moved the country significantly to the left, and partially reversed the Reagan Revolution. Leftists should be proud of what their president has accomplished for them.

    Obama has also had a profound influence on my thinking. He is one of the reasons I have become so radical. Obama has convinced me that my country is dead. Obama has transformed me into a political nihilist.

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