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Thread: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Also, if your going to try and put a face to the beginning of major government intervention in the economy it would be FDR.
    I'd agree with this, not just the economy either.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    When were those words spoken?
    Obama says a lot of things depending on who he is talking to at the time.
    Actually he is quite consistent on this. The quote I gave was from August 2008 in New Mexico at a campaign stop(Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care - Washington Wire - WSJ), or in other words, 5 years after the youtube video and what he was actually campaigning on. Since then he has continued in the exact same theme:Campaigning on Single Payer? | FactCheck.org

    If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. Thatís the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

    The only problem is that weíre not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and youíve got this system thatís already in place. We donít want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly weíre trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

    So what Iíve said is, letís set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and youíre happy with it, you donít have to change doctors, you donít have to change plans ó nothing changes. If you donít have health care or youíre highly unsatisfied with your health care, then letís give you choices, letís give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. Thatís been my proposal.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The answer is NO. FDR beat him to it.
    You're right.
    Obama will go down in history as the president who almost transformed America into a complete nanny state.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    It doesn't matter if he actually is socialist or not. The question is will he go down in history as the man who made America socialist. The general population thinks of him as socialist.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    You're right.
    Obama will go down in history as the president who almost transformed America into a complete nanny state.
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    Your version of events is most interesting. Since there was no danger of socialism in the first place.

    The worse there would have been, would have been a public option, a bit of competition to the insurance companies. And we all know that competition is bad

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    It doesn't matter if he actually is socialist or not. The question is will he go down in history as the man who made America socialist. The general population thinks of him as socialist.
    Well, he isn't trying to make America Socialist, and he won't make America socialist unless the House of representatives collectively lose their minds for the next 2 years...

    So your question, and your point about whether he's a socialist or not is redundant

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well, he isn't trying to make America Socialist, and he won't make America socialist unless the House of representatives collectively lose their minds for the next 2 years...

    So your question, and your point about whether he's a socialist or not is redundant
    The man has enacted some socialist reforms though? And he wants to enact more.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    Yes, he is.
    The two of you are acting as children.
    Why is this?
    One can say that the first decent man, going back millina, who cared about his fellow, man was a socialist.
    Most of us are social, its a human trait.
    In truth, Obama is NOT a socialist, he is a pragmatist. I was going to say "conservative", but this brings on negative commutations..
    Last edited by earthworm; 12-28-10 at 02:40 PM.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    The man has enacted some socialist reforms though? And he wants to enact more.
    So did George W. Bush...

    Were you scared about socialism then?

    Seriously dude. You need to go away for awhile and do some homework.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Actually he is quite consistent on this. The quote I gave was from August 2008 in New Mexico at a campaign stop(Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care - Washington Wire - WSJ), or in other words, 5 years after the youtube video and what he was actually campaigning on. Since then he has continued in the exact same theme:Campaigning on Single Payer? | FactCheck.org
    Ahhh see? Here's the disconnect, you still believe what Obama says. I look more at what he does. He said you could keep your current coverage, right? Well, thanks to Obamacare, premiums have gone up so many who liked their coverage are forced to go with a cheaper option with higher deductibles. In other words, Obama was wrong about keeping the coverage we like and completely lied whenever he's suggested the cost of health will actually go down.
    Last edited by X Factor; 12-28-10 at 02:52 PM.
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