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Thread: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    I'm just going to poop this here.

    "If one complains that the system of economic and social organization which is based on private property in the means of production does not sufficiently consider the interests of the community, that it serves only the purpose of a single strata, and that it limits productivity; and if therefore one demands with the supporters of the various "social-political" and "social-reform" movements, state interference in all fields of economic life, then one has fundamentally accepted the principle of the socialist programme"- Ludwig von Mises



    Singlepayer IS socialist.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    And yet another person that doesn't know what socialism is.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What he "wants" isn't in the health care bill

    Try to keep up.
    Perhaps not, but since it is what he wants and believes in, then it makes him a socialist.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Also, if your going to try and put a face to the beginning of major government intervention in the economy it would be FDR.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm just going to poop this here.

    "If one complains that the system of economic and social organization which is based on private property in the means of production does not sufficiently consider the interests of the community, that it serves only the purpose of a single strata, and that it limits productivity; and if therefore one demands with the supporters of the various "social-political" and "social-reform" movements, state interference in all fields of economic life, then one has fundamentally accepted the principle of the socialist programme"- Ludwig von Mises



    Singlepayer IS socialist.
    It's good to look at his own words. I prefer more complete quotes:

    If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system...

    Given that a lot of people work for insurance companies, a lot of people work for HMOs. Youíve got a whole system of institutions that have been set up. Why not single payer?

    People donít have time to wait. They need relief now. So my attitude is letís build up the system we got, letís make it more efficient, we may be over timeóas we make the system more efficient and everybodyís coveredódecide that there are other ways for us to provide care more effectively.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    Perhaps not, but since it is what he wants and believes in, then it makes him a socialist.
    That's not what this thread is about you should know its your own thread.

    Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    That's the question you posed, not whether Obama is socialist or not.

    Hint: He's not.

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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    The answer is NO. FDR beat him to it.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's good to look at his own words. I prefer more complete quotes:
    When were those words spoken?
    Obama says a lot of things depending on who he is talking to at the time.
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
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    Re: Will Obama go down in history as the president who made America socialist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Solace View Post
    Look at his healthcare reform and everything else that he does. He calls himself a Democrat, but he's actually a socialist.
    Same - same
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