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Thread: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I haven't yet read it,
    Well thanks for the chat.

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    No problem, nothing you say will change the fact that all you've done is co-opt the ideas of a genius for your twisted ideology.

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ilegals don't have the paperwork because they are illegals.






    This isn't the fault of Mexicans, but rather corporate interests.
    Yeah they do. They get forged birth certificates and use other people's social security nos. It's very common.

    Besides, illegals have matriculation cards from Mexican consulates. They just don't comply because no one enforces the law against them. The law only applies to citizens, not illegals. They just ignore it unless they have something to gain.

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Yeah they do. They get forged birth certificates and use other people's social security nos. It's very common.

    Besides, illegals have matriculation cards from Mexican consulates. They just don't comply because no one enforces the law against them. The law only applies to citizens, not illegals. They just ignore it unless they have something to gain.
    Tell me then, what benefits would the cops get from ignoring illegals?
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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Only Christian Conservative societies have enough children and moral to survive, all Liberals societies will be replaced by Islam States with the Sharia law not later as in fifty years.
    I smell a conspiracy theory in the making here...

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    No problem, nothing you say will change the fact that all you've done is co-opt the ideas of a genius for your twisted ideology.
    This is what Victor Davis Hanson has written. You are unfamiliar with Hanson.

    "Again, I do not editorialize, but I note these vast transformations over the last 20 years that are the paradoxical wages of unchecked illegal immigration from Mexico, a vast expansion of California’s entitlements and taxes, the flight of the upper middle class out of state, the deliberate effort not to tap natural resources, the downsizing in manufacturing and agriculture, and the departure of whites, blacks, and Asians from many of these small towns to more racially diverse and upscale areas of California.

    Fresno’s California State University campus is embroiled in controversy over the student body president’s announcing that he is an illegal alien, with all the requisite protests in favor of the DREAM Act. I won’t comment on the legislation per se, but again only note the anomaly. I taught at CSUF for 21 years. I think it fair to say that the predominant theme of the Chicano and Latin American Studies program’s sizable curriculum was a fuzzy American culpability. By that I mean that students in those classes heard of the sins of America more often than its attractions. In my home town, Mexican flag decals on car windows are far more common than their American counterparts.

    I note this because hundreds of students here illegally are now terrified of being deported to Mexico. I can understand that, given the chaos in Mexico and their own long residency in the United States. But here is what still confuses me: If one were to consider the classes that deal with Mexico at the university, or the visible displays of national chauvinism, then one might conclude that Mexico is a far more attractive and moral place than the United States.

    So there is a surreal nature to these protests: something like, “Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.” I think the DREAM Act protestors might have been far more successful in winning public opinion had they stopped blaming the U.S. for suggesting that they might have to leave at some point, and instead explained why, in fact, they want to stay. What it is about America that makes a youth of 21 go on a hunger strike or demonstrate to be allowed to remain in this country rather than return to the place of his birth?

    I think I know the answer to this paradox. Missing entirely in the above description is the attitude of the host, which by any historical standard can only be termed “indifferent.” California does not care whether one broke the law to arrive here or continues to break it by staying. It asks nothing of the illegal immigrant — no proficiency in English, no acquaintance with American history and values, no proof of income, no record of education or skills. It does provide all the public assistance that it can afford (and more that it borrows for), and apparently waives enforcement of most of California’s burdensome regulations and civic statutes that increasingly have plagued productive citizens to the point of driving them out. How odd that we overregulate those who are citizens and have capital to the point of banishing them from the state, but do not regulate those who are aliens and without capital to the point of encouraging millions more to follow in their footsteps. How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

    Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder."
    VDH's Private Papers:: Two Californias

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Tell me then, what benefits would the cops get from ignoring illegals?
    It depends. Sanctuary City policies require cops to ignore illegals for most offenses. Sanctuary City policies prohibit cooperation with DHSecurity.

    Last week my younger son's girlfriend was in an auto accident with an illegal. The illegal fled the scene and abandoned the car. The car's registration was out of date. This is what it is like here.

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This is what Victor Davis Hanson has written. You are unfamiliar with Hanson.

    "Again, I do not editorialize, but I note these vast transformations over the last 20 years that are the paradoxical wages of unchecked illegal immigration from Mexico, a vast expansion of California’s entitlements and taxes, the flight of the upper middle class out of state, the deliberate effort not to tap natural resources, the downsizing in manufacturing and agriculture, and the departure of whites, blacks, and Asians from many of these small towns to more racially diverse and upscale areas of California.

    Fresno’s California State University campus is embroiled in controversy over the student body president’s announcing that he is an illegal alien, with all the requisite protests in favor of the DREAM Act. I won’t comment on the legislation per se, but again only note the anomaly. I taught at CSUF for 21 years. I think it fair to say that the predominant theme of the Chicano and Latin American Studies program’s sizable curriculum was a fuzzy American culpability. By that I mean that students in those classes heard of the sins of America more often than its attractions. In my home town, Mexican flag decals on car windows are far more common than their American counterparts.

    I note this because hundreds of students here illegally are now terrified of being deported to Mexico. I can understand that, given the chaos in Mexico and their own long residency in the United States. But here is what still confuses me: If one were to consider the classes that deal with Mexico at the university, or the visible displays of national chauvinism, then one might conclude that Mexico is a far more attractive and moral place than the United States.

    So there is a surreal nature to these protests: something like, “Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.” I think the DREAM Act protestors might have been far more successful in winning public opinion had they stopped blaming the U.S. for suggesting that they might have to leave at some point, and instead explained why, in fact, they want to stay. What it is about America that makes a youth of 21 go on a hunger strike or demonstrate to be allowed to remain in this country rather than return to the place of his birth?

    I think I know the answer to this paradox. Missing entirely in the above description is the attitude of the host, which by any historical standard can only be termed “indifferent.” California does not care whether one broke the law to arrive here or continues to break it by staying. It asks nothing of the illegal immigrant — no proficiency in English, no acquaintance with American history and values, no proof of income, no record of education or skills. It does provide all the public assistance that it can afford (and more that it borrows for), and apparently waives enforcement of most of California’s burdensome regulations and civic statutes that increasingly have plagued productive citizens to the point of driving them out. How odd that we overregulate those who are citizens and have capital to the point of banishing them from the state, but do not regulate those who are aliens and without capital to the point of encouraging millions more to follow in their footsteps. How odd — to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta — that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

    Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California — and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder."
    VDH's Private Papers:: Two Californias
    I've read the paper; I know what it says. I never spoke a word against it, or claimed that he said something else.

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisanhack View Post
    I've read the paper; I know what it says. I never spoke a word against it, or claimed that he said something else.
    How does Hanson's position in the paper differ from my position that many laws do not apply to illegal Mexican citizens living in California?

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    Re: What society has more chance to survive; liberal or conservative?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Last week my younger son's girlfriend was in an auto accident with an illegal. The illegal fled the scene and abandoned the car. The car's registration was out of date. This is what it is like here.
    Like this same situation wouldnt happen if the guy was a US citizen? Give me a break
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