View Poll Results: should this person be allowed to purchase a gun?

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    Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    I am generally against gun control except in some common-sense cases (previous seriously violent offenders probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns). However, an idea came to me and I thought it would be interesting to consider. Suppose the following conversation happens at a sporting-goods store or gun dealership:

    Customer: I need a really big gun.
    Dealer: Rifle or shotgun?
    Customer: No, a handgun, or maybe an assault rifle...I'm afraid I don't know much about assault rifles, though.
    Dealer: So, a large-caliber handgun. We have several .45 caliber pistols, and we've got a .44 caliber magnum over here.
    Customer: The bigger the better, because I'm going to kill a bunch of people and when I shoot them, I want to make sure they're dead.
    Dealer: Uh, what?
    Customer: I'm need a gun because I'm going to shoot a lot of people. I'm going to go into the mall downtown and just shoot people. Women and children, men, infants, old people, whoever happens to be there. I'm going to blow some people's heads off.

    Should this person be excluded from purchasing a gun, given their stated intention?

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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I am generally against gun control except in some common-sense cases (previous seriously violent offenders probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns). However, an idea came to me and I thought it would be interesting to consider. Suppose the following conversation happens at a sporting-goods store or gun dealership:

    Customer: I need a really big gun.
    Dealer: Rifle or shotgun?
    Customer: No, a handgun, or maybe an assault rifle...I'm afraid I don't know much about assault rifles, though.
    Dealer: So, a large-caliber handgun. We have several .45 caliber pistols, and we've got a .44 caliber magnum over here.
    Customer: The bigger the better, because I'm going to kill a bunch of people and when I shoot them, I want to make sure they're dead.
    Dealer: Uh, what?
    Customer: I'm need a gun because I'm going to shoot a lot of people. I'm going to go into the mall downtown and just shoot people. Women and children, men, infants, old people, whoever happens to be there. I'm going to blow some people's heads off.

    Should this person be excluded from purchasing a gun, given their stated intention?
    Duh. Ever hear of aiding and abetting?

    The clerk should say his store has a 3-day waiting period for purchase; help the customer out; get as much information as he can from him; then call the police and turn over the store surveillance video. The guy's obviously two donuts short of a dozen.
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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Duh. Ever hear of aiding and abetting?

    The clerk should say his store has a 3-day waiting period for purchase; help the customer out; get as much information as he can from him; then call the police and turn over the store surveillance video. The guy's obviously two donuts short of a dozen.
    Agreed. It would be the responsible thing to do.
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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Well, if it's this guys intent to go to the mall and shoot lot's of people, then the store owner should definitely not sell him the handgun.

    The assault rifle is obviously more suitable.


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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Several issues here:

    The store has no obligation to sell. Just because they do offer weapons for sell doesn't mean they have to provide anyone that comes in with a weapon.

    The OP's buyer has already committed a crime: Conspiracy to commit murder.


    The appropriate answer is this (and I used to sell guns) fill out the paperwork, take it to the back to do the background check and call the police...have him arrested on the spot. Your testimony and the security footage should be enough to put the guy in jail and remove his 2nd amendment right.

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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Just like the 1st amendment does not give you the right to commit treason,air or leak classified info or yell fire in a crowed movie theater when there is no fire, Deny life saving medical treatment to a child or deny adequate education to a child based on religion, my second amendment rights does not give me the right to shoot a gun at 3AM for no reason what so ever, to shoot at random houses or to kill people.

    That said, someone would have to be a complete dumbass to walk in a gun store telling the clerk they need a weapon to go murder a bunch of people. So the clerk would have to be an idiot to sell someone like the weapon because of the fact they do not know if that person will fire the gun on them.
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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    The dealer has an affirmative duty to not sell the weapon. Its akin to a bar tender knowing someone is intoxicated. Years ago, I was training at a local range when a woman came in (before the Background checks or Brady waiting period) and wanted to buy a gun. The store owner looked at her and determined something was wrong and told the woman he was not going to sell her a gun. She claimed she would sue and he pointed to a sign noting he had the absolute right to refuse sales to anyone (of course if he did it for racist reasons etc he could be in violation of Title VII)/. So she screamed HTF am I going to kill the MF that beat the hell out of me if you don't sell me a gun.

    This happens more than you would think



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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    I am generally against gun control except in some common-sense cases (previous seriously violent offenders probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns). However, an idea came to me and I thought it would be interesting to consider. Suppose the following conversation happens at a sporting-goods store or gun dealership:

    Customer: I need a really big gun.
    Dealer: Rifle or shotgun?
    Customer: No, a handgun, or maybe an assault rifle...I'm afraid I don't know much about assault rifles, though.
    Dealer: So, a large-caliber handgun. We have several .45 caliber pistols, and we've got a .44 caliber magnum over here.
    Customer: The bigger the better, because I'm going to kill a bunch of people and when I shoot them, I want to make sure they're dead.
    Dealer: Uh, what?
    Customer: I'm need a gun because I'm going to shoot a lot of people. I'm going to go into the mall downtown and just shoot people. Women and children, men, infants, old people, whoever happens to be there. I'm going to blow some people's heads off.

    Should this person be excluded from purchasing a gun, given their stated intention?
    I'm sure a dozen people have said this in this thread by now, but what you're talking about is already illegal on the federal level and no that law should not be changed.

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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Well, if it's this guys intent to go to the mall and shoot lot's of people, then the store owner should definitely not sell him the handgun.

    The assault rifle is obviously more suitable.

    Don't forget the black-market full-auto conversion kit. Have to make that up-sell.

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    Re: Gun control poll--read and select all that apply

    This is a big DUH question.


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