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Uniforms in public schools...

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Another adage comes to mind, "the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world".
We can complain about the prez, congress, taxes, them damn liberuhls, ubercons, etc. all we want, but it is what we do as parents that makes the difference for the child, and by extension, for the nation.
Our younger posters in this thread don't like control, and maybe don't understand that good parents set boundaries for the child's own safety. Our daughter chafed a bit at the limits we set for her, but got over it and set similar limits for her own kids. If our son objected, we never heard it.
Long story short, being a good parent, and grandparent, should be our first priority.

There is too much talent wasted on this planet because too many parents abrogate their ultimate responsibilities to their children.
I have posted before, and won't repeat it in detail here, but the extended family on my wife's side is almost totally admirable, while the extended family on my side is pretty much the opposite. On her side, there was a solid connection to wonderful grandparents, on my side, almost total disconnect as the grandparents didn't want to be involved. So about half of my nieces and nephews are educated and working at good jobs to support the other half of my neices and nephews on the dole....
 
It should be determined by the local school board. Some schools need it, some don't. And the schools that need it should have them paid for by that district's taxes or fees paid by the family. On that note, families who use alternative schooling for their children (home or private) should get a tax break.
 
At least the angry teenagers have finally understood that they have been bested by their superior elders...


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It should be determined by the local school board. Some schools need it, some don't. And the schools that need it should have them paid for by that district's taxes or fees paid by the family. On that note, families who use alternative schooling for their children (home or private) should get a tax break.

Tax breaks are ridiculous... who is going to make up for the loss in welfare programs once this slippery slope goes astray?
 
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Another adage comes to mind, "the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world".
We can complain about the prez, congress, taxes, them damn liberuhls, ubercons, etc. all we want, but it is what we do as parents that makes the difference for the child, and by extension, for the nation.
Our younger posters in this thread don't like control, and maybe don't understand that good parents set boundaries for the child's own safety. Our daughter chafed a bit at the limits we set for her, but got over it and set similar limits for her own kids. If our son objected, we never heard it.
Long story short, being a good parent, and grandparent, should be our first priority.

There is too much talent wasted on this planet because too many parents abrogate their ultimate responsibilities to their children.
I have posted before, and won't repeat it in detail here, but the extended family on my wife's side is almost totally admirable, while the extended family on my side is pretty much the opposite. On her side, there was a solid connection to wonderful grandparents, on my side, almost total disconnect as the grandparents didn't want to be involved. So about half of my nieces and nephews are educated and working at good jobs to support the other half of my neices and nephews on the dole....

My children are important... sure. But one of the most important factors in raising good children is my career. I see my kids a couple of hours a week, and I usually have to put up with some homework help for them, but once the nanny puts them to bed, I can focus on what matters, my work.
 
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My children are important... sure. But one of the most important factors in raising good children is my career. I see my kids a couple of hours a week, and I usually have to put up with some homework help for them, but once the nanny puts them to bed, I can focus on what matters, my work.

Why have children in that case? You are never going to have that special closeness that a devoted parent and a grateful adult child share. In order to have that special closeness it is necessary to raise a child as if he or she is what really matters most. It is necessary to subordinate one's own interests to the interests of the child whenever required.
 
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Why have children in that case? You are never going to have that special closeness that a devoted parent and a grateful adult child share. In order to have that special closeness it is necessary to raise a child as if he or she is what really matters most. It is necessary to subordinate one's own interests to the interests of the child whenever required.

Special closeness? What is this, a fuzzy special hug moment? They are kids and I am devoted to them as anything. I guess I just understand what is important about raising kids, and it is providing for them. My career gives me that ability. I am sure that they know that they are important to me.
 
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Special closeness? What is this, a fuzzy special hug moment? They are kids and I am devoted to them as anything. I guess I just understand what is important about raising kids, and it is providing for them. My career gives me that ability. I am sure that they know that they are important to me.

A special closeness requires prioritizing children. What do you do when your children want you to watch them play in a school soccer league game instead of meeting at 5:30 pm with a client?
 
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A special closeness requires prioritizing children. What do you do when your children want you to watch them play in a school soccer league game instead of meeting at 5:30 pm with a client?

Well, they do compete in equastrian events, first of all, and these are generally on Saturday morning. I can make those generally. I sometimes have to go golfing with clients though... and a parent can prioritize their child without having this special closeness. Who are you to lecture me on parenting anyway?
 
It might have been Henrin in all the back and forths... and I did check, just checked again, spent ten minutes filtering through threads and couldn't find it.

Nope. Imagining things are we?


I think that I got your comment mixed up with Henrins...

No, you didn't. You made it up and now you're caught in the lie. Go figure.


Our younger posters in this thread don't like control, and maybe don't understand that good parents set boundaries for the child's own safety. Our daughter chafed a bit at the limits we set for her, but got over it and set similar limits for her own kids. If our son objected, we never heard it.

I'm all for setting boundaries. This isn't about a boundaries. This is about about saying exactly what the child can wear. Its one thing to go out shopping with your kids and letting them look, and just say no to certain things. Its another story when you show them what they WILL wear and they have no say.

At least the angry teenagers have finally understood that they have been bested by their superior elders...

If you are trying to insult me with this crap just realize you are acting exactly the way I was.

[Tax breaks are ridiculous... who is going to make up for the loss in welfare programs once this slippery slope goes astray?

Welfare programs? Not welfare programs! What will you do!
 
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Nope. Imagining things are we?

I imagine that you are...

No, you didn't. You made it up and now you're caught in the lie. Go figure.

Why would I make it up? The reason that I used it was because it was a funny way to indicate that you were all a bunch of angry teenagers. Even if I made it up, which I didn't, it was for comedic value and I wouldn't bother saying that it was true. Either way, you are acting like an angry teenager even if you aren't a teenager.

I'm all for setting boundaries. This isn't about a boundaries. This is about about saying exactly what the child can wear. Its one thing to go out shopping with your kids and letting them look, and just say no to certain things. Its another story when you show them what they WILL wear and they have no say.

Parents tell their kids exactly what to wear all the time. It is raining outside and you have to wear your rainjacket. It is cold outside, you have to wear shoes. We are going to grandma's for Christmas and you have to weat your nice shirt. Dude, you letting your kids wear their ripped Metallica shirts to a formal function because they want to would only go to show that you are a ****ty parent.

If you are trying to insult me with this crap just realize you are acting exactly the way I was.

I'm not trying to insult you with this...

Welfare programs? Not welfare programs! What will you do!

This doesn't have anything to do with me...

You gave up on debating parenting and uniforms 'cause you ain't got **** and you know it. Run along scooter...
 
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Sure it is, with all your whining about being labeled as inferior and your bitching about authoritarian complexes and your crying about control issues...

Dude, your response was not even remotely connected to what we were discussing. Bull****ting and attacking me isn't going to change that.

When using fallicious during a debate, it generally refers to a logical fallacy. That is fine then, show how my reasoning is faulty, if you don't mind.

It is not something you are likely to see because it is simply your presumption that I must be a teenager in order to have the opinions I have. Rather, you just jump to an incorrect conclusion based off minimal evidence.

Even with regards to me, it is argumentative...

It was with regards to your attitude on this subject and why you keep using the word "argumentative"? This is an argument so it is only natural that it would be argumentative. Do you meant to say "debatable"?

Right, got it. Each time I nail you you say, "I was not talking to you" or "I was not referring to those comments" or "that is what someone else said"... it is cyclical.

You cannot have nailed me because those responses are simply the truth. If I say I was not talking to you, then I was not. If I say I was not referring to certain comments then I was not. If I say that is what someone else said than it was. The only pattern here is you being unable to follow this discussion.

Is the nature of "consciousness" foreign to you? Thoughts, ideas and feelings that you are not conscious of are not known to you, hence pondering about it is irrelevant.

Except the reason someone is not conscious of a feeling or desire is because said individual does not ever consider it. I am telling you that I would have been conscious of any such desire to be controlled.

It might have been Henrin in all the back and forths... and I did check, just checked again, spent ten minutes filtering through threads and couldn't find it.

I doubt it was Henrin. Maybe you are thinking of Solace.

Just because I have personal experience doesn't mean that I am not better at objectively analysing it.

Except you experience most likely carries it with some emotional association. I do not expect rape victims to be capable of objectively analyzing the experience. Any experience of emotional significance is likely to weigh on your objectivity.

I have only said that you are naive... that has nothing to do with being beneath me. Wouldn't you agree?

You have said more than that.

No. The point is hardcore Evangelicals tried to control you and you resent it. Their failure is irrelevant.

Are you trying to imply that such alleged resent is the reason for my opinion? You are wrong if that is what you mean to imply.

And you have yet to show one tangible bit of proof regarding this matter. Not one. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Are you ****ing kidding me!? I already ****ing did, for ****'s sake!

Another naive comment. Of course everybody has their own mind, but parents actions have an enormous amount of influence on a child, both positive and negative.

That is true, but there are many other events and people who can have a more powerful effect. Sometimes the negative actions of a person influence an individual for the better.

I can't speak for the rest, but in my conclusion was entirely based on the content of your posts. Many people have disagreed with me on these forums without me concluding that they were teens.

Undoubtedly on different subject matter.
 
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Excellent quote, and so true. Harold B. Lee, wasn't it?

yes....
another one I like, "No success can compensate for failure in the home". David O. McKay....
 
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Dude, your response was not even remotely connected to what we were discussing. Bull****ting and attacking me isn't going to change that.

Nope, you keep on about being referred to as inferior, when all we are doing is telling you that you don't know what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with being inferior, and I am going to stop discussing this matter with you since you either don't understand it or you are being dishonest about it.

The whole matter is essentially this... we had a baby that had colic, and when we mentioned this to other parents that had babies that had colic, they would say stuff like, "IMG, I know what you mean (or how you feel), our baby did too". We never once got a response from a parent that did not have a baby with colic that included "I understand" or " I know"... it was always something like, "I can only imagine" or "I am sorry to hear that, it must be tough". Why? Because they did not know what it was like. Sure, they read the books and heard our stories, but not having gone through it, they understood that they did not understand what it was truly like. You though, you just think, "I have an imagination, seen some movies, read some books, I know as much about it as Bodi, because I am more objective!" Complete and utter horse ****. Sorry dude... you just make yourself sound so ignorant. Im getting tired of you as well. Talking out of your ass without showing an ounce of compromise stinks of naivety coupled with arrogance. Angry teenager syndrome, really.

It is not something you are likely to see because it is simply your presumption that I must be a teenager in order to have the opinions I have. Rather, you just jump to an incorrect conclusion based off minimal evidence.

Dude, you are most likely not a teenager... it was a ****ing joke. Hello? After this idiotic back and forth in which you show very little ability to understand, I would venture to say that I am on a far higher plane or awareness than you, hence my frustration with you. Just gonna be done with you like I was last time, pretty quick...

It was with regards to your attitude on this subject and why you keep using the word "argumentative"? This is an argument so it is only natural that it would be argumentative. Do you meant to say "debatable"?

No, I mean argumentative... it is a legal term and has a meaning. Look it up. I know what it means since I have used it when representing myself in a case that I won in court.

You cannot have nailed me because those responses are simply the truth. If I say I was not talking to you, then I was not. If I say I was not referring to certain comments then I was not. If I say that is what someone else said than it was. The only pattern here is you being unable to follow this discussion.

If we are talking and you say something, I call you on it, and you respond... "I wasn't talking to you", then you shouldn't have posted it in a post addressed to me in a conversation that you and I are having. If that is me being unable to follow a conversation, I would counter that you don't understand how to have a proper conversation.

Except the reason someone is not conscious of a feeling or desire is because said individual does not ever consider it. I am telling you that I would have been conscious of any such desire to be controlled.

Holy moly... this is geting retarded. Children don't want to "be controlled", they want structure and consistency. Their want isn't conscious. They need them. They need routines. Studies show that when children are raised in a caring and structured environment, they are healthier and more well adjusted than those that aren't. A structured environment has rules and consequences. The parent is in charge. Can't you grasp any of this? The children, even aware ones, aren't sitting there saying, "I want to be controlled.". Any parent would say, and many of us have, that you don't know what you are talking about... why? You lack experience, that's why.

We tell children where they can and can't go. My daughters often come up to me and ask what they are allowed to do or where they are allowed to go, since they know that I am looking out for their safety. They want that. Sorry you refuse to understand this.

Except you experience most likely carries it with some emotional association. I do not expect rape victims to be capable of objectively analyzing the experience. Any experience of emotional significance is likely to weigh on your objectivity.

Yes, but the key factor is that I have experience and you have none. So my tainted experience wins, since you don't have any at all.

You have said more than that.

No, not really. I have stuck with one line, and that is that you are naive about the subject. I have described it in other ways, but never about being inferior or lesser than me as a person, just ignorant about what parenting truly entails.

Are you trying to imply that such alleged resent is the reason for my opinion? You are wrong if that is what you mean to imply.

I am more objective than you, since you have been through it, by your reasoning... hence, your emotional association is likely to weigh on your objectivity and my conclusion is correct. Sorry...

Are you ****ing kidding me!? I already ****ing did, for ****'s sake!

Nope. You hve offered unsubstantiated opinions about control and uniforms. You have offered not one shred of evidence about uniforms, which is the topic at hand and the one that I want to get back to in order to sum this ridiculous debate up. You have shown nada about parenting and zip about uniforms for pete's sake...

That is true, but there are many other events and people who can have a more powerful effect. Sometimes the negative actions of a person influence an individual for the better.

That is true.... but. That is kinda how you think, isn't it?
 
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Nope, you keep on about being referred to as inferior, when all we are doing is telling you that you don't know what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with being inferior, and I am going to stop discussing this matter with you since you either don't understand it or you are being dishonest about it.

The whole matter is essentially this... we had a baby that had colic, and when we mentioned this to other parents that had babies that had colic, they would say stuff like, "IMG, I know what you mean (or how you feel), our baby did too". We never once got a response from a parent that did not have a baby with colic that included "I understand" or " I know"... it was always something like, "I can only imagine" or "I am sorry to hear that, it must be tough". Why? Because they did not know what it was like. Sure, they read the books and heard our stories, but not having gone through it, they understood that they did not understand what it was truly like. You though, you just think, "I have an imagination, seen some movies, read some books, I know as much about it as Bodi, because I am more objective!" Complete and utter horse ****. Sorry dude... you just make yourself sound so ignorant. Im getting tired of you as well. Talking out of your ass without showing an ounce of compromise stinks of naivety coupled with arrogance. Angry teenager syndrome, really.

The reason people say "I can imagine" is because most likely they would understand and simply do not wish to offend someone by saying they would know how that person feels. Such comments constitute the little white lies we call "respect" in society.

Dude, you are most likely not a teenager... it was a ****ing joke.

You were not joking and were you not just arguing that you were simply confused or that I had said something to imply that? Why are you changing your justifications?

No, I mean argumentative... it is a legal term and has a meaning. Look it up. I know what it means since I have used it when representing myself in a case that I won in court.

I am aware of the legal term and its meaning. In fact, I got the impression that is the context you were using it in and thought perhaps you were a lawyer but pulled back from that supposition since it did not fit with what I have read and your general behavior. Certainly it is consistent with someone who represented himself once pro se and now fancies himself a lawyer. That would also be consistent with someone of your attitude.

No matter how you were using it my statement is still accurate.

If we are talking and you say something, I call you on it, and you respond... "I wasn't talking to you", then you shouldn't have posted it in a post addressed to me in a conversation that you and I are having. If that is me being unable to follow a conversation, I would counter that you don't understand how to have a proper conversation.

Dude, you are the one who insists on responding to comments that are not directed at you. The fact you lose sight of that after some back and forth is no fault of mine.

Holy moly... this is geting retarded. Children don't want to "be controlled", they want structure and consistency. Their want isn't conscious. They need them. They need routines. Studies show that when children are raised in a caring and structured environment, they are healthier and more well adjusted than those that aren't. A structured environment has rules and consequences. The parent is in charge. Can't you grasp any of this? The children, even aware ones, aren't sitting there saying, "I want to be controlled.". Any parent would say, and many of us have, that you don't know what you are talking about... why? You lack experience, that's why.

We tell children where they can and can't go. My daughters often come up to me and ask what they are allowed to do or where they are allowed to go, since they know that I am looking out for their safety. They want that. Sorry you refuse to understand this.

So what you are actually saying is not that kids desire to be controlled because you do not actually have any sort of proof of any such desire conscious or unconscious. Rather, you say that children are simply healthier in such a context and therefore this must be something they desire.

I am more objective than you, since you have been through it, by your reasoning... hence, your emotional association is likely to weigh on your objectivity and my conclusion is correct. Sorry...

Did I say it was universal? No. I would not state an absolute, however it is a general rule. There are exceptions.

Nope. You hve offered unsubstantiated opinions about control and uniforms. You have offered not one shred of evidence about uniforms, which is the topic at hand and the one that I want to get back to in order to sum this ridiculous debate up. You have shown nada about parenting and zip about uniforms for pete's sake...

I have actually provided a source earlier regarding uniforms.

That is true.... but. That is kinda how you think, isn't it?

Sorry, what?
 
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The reason people say "I can imagine" is because most likely they would understand and simply do not wish to offend someone by saying they would know how that person feels. Such comments constitute the little white lies we call "respect" in society.

So when a person tells you that their mother was raped and tortured and murdered and this did not happen to your mother, you would say, "I can imagine" to be polite but in reality you, "would know how that person feels"? ARe you being serious for even one second here? That is so ridiculous that I think that I am being played here, after all of this I was taking you seriously... you would "know" how they felt never having experienced nor felt the same thing? We can all read a book on it and "know" the symptoms and "know" how people have expressed how they felt, but not having felt it yourself, you could not actually "know" how it feels.

To claim that you would is so retarded that I can barely think of responding to you again after this if you say that you are serious...

You were not joking and were you not just arguing that you were simply confused or that I had said something to imply that? Why are you changing your justifications?

I made a joke that we were dealing with three angry teenagers... I apologize if you thought I was being serious, but I wasn't. It was sarcasm.

I am aware of the legal term and its meaning. In fact, I got the impression that is the context you were using it in and thought perhaps you were a lawyer but pulled back from that supposition since it did not fit with what I have read and your general behavior. Certainly it is consistent with someone who represented himself once pro se and now fancies himself a lawyer. That would also be consistent with someone of your attitude.

If you aren't a lawyer, then you are just talking out of your ass and if you are I would expect that I would win against you as well. My wifes lawyer acted like you did, telling me what things mean or don't and guess what, the Judge agreed with me... I have represented myself twice and won both, once against the IRS and once in Family Court against my wife's lawyer.

Controversial; subject to argument.

Pleading in which a point relied upon is not set out, but merely implied, is often labeled argumentative. Pleading that contains arguments that should be saved for trial, in addition to allegations establishing a Cause of Action or defense, is also called argumentative.


argumentative legal definition of argumentative. argumentative synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

No matter how you were using it my statement is still accurate.

Since all you have done is merely imply something, nope, it isn't accurate yet.

Dude, you are the one who insists on responding to comments that are not directed at you. The fact you lose sight of that after some back and forth is no fault of mine.

This line of debate is so old and pointless, lets just move on. Hell, I'll concede you are correct too...

So what you are actually saying is not that kids desire to be controlled because you do not actually have any sort of proof of any such desire conscious or unconscious. Rather, you say that children are simply healthier in such a context and therefore this must be something they desire.

This point is getting skewed... chiildren are healthier when they are parented or cared for, that is how they survive at a young age. Parents use a variety of discipline techniques that range from modelling, re-directing and punitive, among others. I can't find studies that don't cost money yet, but from personal experience, asking and observing other parents, being in the education system, talking to PhD's in psychology and others, we all conclude that children that are cared for better, have clear and defined boundaries and expectations, are healthier mentally and emotionally. Children that lack this guidance, when provided with it, flourish. There is a profound change. Children, when asked about this, have expressed that they like and understand the clear boundaries and expectations, that it makes it easier to live. These boundaries and expectations are "Control". The parent controls the child within these rules. This is the control that I, and the other parents on this thread have been discussing.

Accept this or don't. It seems as if the others have given up on you, and I am about to as well...

I have actually provided a source earlier regarding uniforms.

Not to me, as far as I can tell...
 
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The way half of them act these days, they should be glad we let them out of the house at all, whether in uniforms or not. ;)
 
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So when a person tells you that their mother was raped and tortured and murdered and this did not happen to your mother, you would say, "I can imagine" to be polite but in reality you, "would know how that person feels"? ARe you being serious for even one second here?

Why do you find that so unthinkable? Is it because you think something that horrible must be beyond a person's ability to understand without experiencing it? The emotions are not exactly difficult to replicate. Do you know about empathy?

I made a joke that we were dealing with three angry teenagers... I apologize if you thought I was being serious, but I wasn't. It was sarcasm.

You were not joking about assuming I was a teenager. In fact, you clearly were arguing that I was.

If you aren't a lawyer, then you are just talking out of your ass and if you are I would expect that I would win against you as well. My wifes lawyer acted like you did, telling me what things mean or don't and guess what, the Judge agreed with me... I have represented myself twice and won both, once against the IRS and once in Family Court against my wife's lawyer.

Controversial; subject to argument.

Pleading in which a point relied upon is not set out, but merely implied, is often labeled argumentative. Pleading that contains arguments that should be saved for trial, in addition to allegations establishing a Cause of Action or defense, is also called argumentative.


argumentative legal definition of argumentative. argumentative synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

If you had bolded the first paragraph I might think you had some idea what you were doing, but the fact you highlighted something that would not apply in the situation you used it tells me otherwise.

This point is getting skewed... chiildren are healthier when they are parented or cared for, that is how they survive at a young age. Parents use a variety of discipline techniques that range from modelling, re-directing and punitive, among others. I can't find studies that don't cost money yet, but from personal experience, asking and observing other parents, being in the education system, talking to PhD's in psychology and others, we all conclude that children that are cared for better, have clear and defined boundaries and expectations, are healthier mentally and emotionally. Children that lack this guidance, when provided with it, flourish. There is a profound change. Children, when asked about this, have expressed that they like and understand the clear boundaries and expectations, that it makes it easier to live. These boundaries and expectations are "Control". The parent controls the child within these rules. This is the control that I, and the other parents on this thread have been discussing.

You are grouping a number of things together, calling them "control", claiming children do better because of this, and that it is what all of you were arguing from the beginning. If this were a discussion about simply parenting it would be one thing, but you have all insisted on forcing kids to wear uniforms in public schools as a means of influencing the entire youth. So the notion that this was all you were arguing is garbage right there.

Not to me, as far as I can tell...

Sorry, I didn't personally contact you when I posted the link. :roll:
 
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The way half of them act these days, they should be glad we let them out of the house at all, whether in uniforms or not. ;)

Who wants them in the house, acting like that?
 
I'm all for setting boundaries. This isn't about a boundaries. This is about about saying exactly what the child can wear. Its one thing to go out shopping with your kids and letting them look, and just say no to certain things. Its another story when you show them what they WILL wear and they have no say.

That is a boundary. It's just placed differently than you'd like it to be.
 
That is a boundary.

Of course

It's just placed differently than you'd like it to be.

My boundary allows them the freedom to decide on what to wear when I decide to enact my boundary. Yours on the other hand make the choice for them to empower your boundary when its enacted later.

Mine has a opening for freedom, yours does not. Mine can still be understood as a guide, yours can only be understood as total control.

@ Bod: Telling them they have to wear a raincoat is the object class, its not the object. If I tell you to wear a raincoat that you picked out you feel far more comfortable with it than if I picked it out and you don't much care for it. The ability to get them to wear the coat if they like it is far easier.
 
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Why do you find that so unthinkable? Is it because you think something that horrible must be beyond a person's ability to understand without experiencing it? The emotions are not exactly difficult to replicate. Do you know about empathy?

You are a special person... empathy? I will have to look that one up. Thank you for the guidance. In you light I will thrive...

You were not joking about assuming I was a teenager. In fact, you clearly were arguing that I was.

Thank you for telling me what my intent was, you have keen powers of insight and are a truly remarkable individual...

If you had bolded the first paragraph I might think you had some idea what you were doing, but the fact you highlighted something that would not apply in the situation you used it tells me otherwise.

It could have nothing to do with you just missing my point, as innocent as that can be? Naw... hell naw! I can see that you are clearly a person to be reckoned with... Again, it worked in court and helped defeat my opponent's main point in a case and the judge ruled in my favor regarding the objection, but... you being you and all, it is obvious now how silly I have been. I am sorry...

You are grouping a number of things together, calling them "control", claiming children do better because of this, and that it is what all of you were arguing from the beginning. If this were a discussion about simply parenting it would be one thing, but you have all insisted on forcing kids to wear uniforms in public schools as a means of influencing the entire youth. So the notion that this was all you were arguing is garbage right there.

It is all control really... but maybe not. You call it garbage and you are really such a bright guy, I will have to reflect a bit in order to take in the magnitude of your hulking nature...

Sorry, I didn't personally contact you when I posted the link. :roll:

No need. My bad. When debating a person and they claim to have posted info, it is obviously up to me to search the entire thread in order to find it. Again, my bad.

Cant say it's been either fun nor time well spent... but things regarding aspects of the human nature were remembered by interacting with you, and that sort of education is always a good thing, so thank you.
 
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Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

You are a special person... empathy? I will have to look that one up. Thank you for the guidance. In you light I will thrive...

There is nothing special about it. I just acknowledge what most people will not.

Thank you for telling me what my intent was, you have keen powers of insight and are a truly remarkable individual...

It has nothing to do with insight, it was several posts back and forth convincing you I had never said I was a teenager before you finally fell back on the "it was a joke" excuse. Seeing that for what it is requires no more insight then is necessary to read words.

It could have nothing to do with you just missing my point, as innocent as that can be? Naw... hell naw! I can see that you are clearly a person to be reckoned with... Again, it worked in court and helped defeat my opponent's main point in a case and the judge ruled in my favor regarding the objection, but... you being you and all, it is obvious now how silly I have been. I am sorry...

Dude, I don't care about some random unspecified court case you were involved with. The fact is you are not using that word for its proper purpose.
 
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There is nothing special about it. I just acknowledge what most people will not.

No really... you are special. Really... :lol:

It has nothing to do with insight, it was several posts back and forth convincing you I had never said I was a teenager before you finally fell back on the "it was a joke" excuse. Seeing that for what it is requires no more insight then is necessary to read words.

You got me. I am making an "excuse" to cover up a "joke" that I made. Of course, I thought that one of ther three of you actually were a teenager, based off of a comment and labeled you incorrectly as the one, and that alone is proof that I am making an "excuse". You have an awesome intellect. No really, you are the man. Way to go. :roll:

Dude, I don't care about some random unspecified court case you were involved with. The fact is you are not using that word for its proper purpose.

Of couse I am not using the term incorrectly, and you can't or won't show how it is incorrect, other than to just say it... but based off of your pure massive magnitude displayed here in this thread, that is good enough for me.

Two debates you have been handed your ass and two debates that you just continue to act like this... pathetic.

But hey, you are the man. Believe it!
 
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We're going to continue to believe that Demon is a teen, or early 20 something at the very most, until he posts a copy of his birth certificate. No long form required, just a certificate of live birth, giving the date.

He may have been born in Kenya, too, we're not sure.
 
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