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Uniforms in public schools...

Which of these statements do you agree with most?

  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

    Votes: 12 21.8%

  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    Votes: 15 27.3%

  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

    Votes: 4 7.3%

  • Somethin' else.

    Votes: 24 43.6%
  • Total voters
    55
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like. :lol:
 
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Henrin said:
I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like. :lol:
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It's wrong to do things that improve behavior?
 
earthworm said:
Federally mandated uniforms will go over well in Nazi Germany or Repressive N Korea.
Not here, obviously, at least to many of us.
A problem may exist, there are better ways to handle this, with open-ness, honesty, respect, not repression and hatred as in N Korea, supposedly.
I do not trust our media.
An idea - if a child commits an offense, then the child and parent should face discipline together.
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yeah a bunch of cute catholic school girls in short kilts causes me to hear Deutschland Duetschland Uber Alles in my head NOT

and disciplining the parent-that sounds FACIST to me
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Kelzie said:
It's wrong to do things that improve behavior?
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If you have no compass to guide you than any action with any sort of postive result is acceptable. In that case you are a complete lost cause. You should be able to see the problem with uniforms, you should be able to see the basic reality of the situation without me trying to go extreme on you. However, when I did, you still didn't even wink, so I see little reason to continue this.

Let me just say this, liberty.

Understand it and get back to me.
 
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Henrin said:
If you have no compass to guide you than any action with any sort of postive result is acceptable. In that case you are a complete lost cause. You should be able to see the problem with uniforms, you should be able to see the basic reality of the situation without me trying to go extreme on you. However, when I did, you still didn't even wink, so I see little reason to continue this.
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And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
 
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Kelzie said:
And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
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you start wearing the blue and brown and
You're working for the clampdown
So you got someone to boss around
It makes you feel big now
You drift until you brutalize
You made your first kill now
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Kelzie said:
And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
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I shouldn't continue, but...

Try to keep up if you can. Your reasoning that you have put forth this entire thread, and yes, I read the entire thing, your excuse is the behavior changes would be enough to warrant it. So using that reasoning, if everyone in society at all times wore a uniform behavior in society would be better. Is it false or does your compass stop you from agreeing?

Or are you saying the difference is important? Why? Because the kids are in school? Why is school different than everyday life? Does it change any sort of relationship in people? Do people really change? If I walk into a store covered in diamonds are people really going to accept it? Are you saying that somehow kids in schools run on a different principle than anything else. How very odd. Look, I'm not interested in hearing whatever you wish to say to belittle children if that is what you wish to do to reason the difference, just know the difference is nothing.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Henrin said:
I shouldn't continue, but...

Try to keep up if you can. Your reasoning that you have put forth this entire thread, and yes, I read the entire thing, your excuse is the behavior changes would be enough to warrant it. So using that reasoning, if everyone in society at all times wore a uniform behavior in society would be better. Is it false or does your compass stop you from agreeing?

Or are you saying the difference is important? Why? Because the kids are in school? Why is school different than everyday life? Does it change any sort of relationship in people? Do people really change? If I walk into a store covered in diamonds are people really going to accept it? Are you saying that somehow kids in schools run on a different principle than anything else. How very odd. Look, I'm not interested in hearing whatever you wish to say to belittle children if that is what you wish to do to reason the difference, just know the difference is nothing.
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What are you talking about? Seriously. Diamonds?

School is different from everyday life because you're a CHILD. And children, in addition to having a lot of other annoying chararcteristics, are not able to concentrate as well as adults. Which is why you see such dramatic improvements in schools where uniforms are worn.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Let's look at the main intention of these justifications:

Dittohead not! said:
No more gang signs, clothes, colors, etc.
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Social control.

No more games of "how much flesh can I show before they bust me."
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Social control.

No more "my brand is better than yours, so I'm better than you."
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More social control.

No more focus on clothes, so they can focus on learning instead.
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What do you know, social control.

Bodhisattva said:
As well as members of the community calling in and informing the school or police that some kids dressed in our uniforms just committed some offense...
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Well now, here's an old-fashioned "it is needed so that the State might protect us" argument.

Of course, hardly any of these are as meaningful as any of you think. For instance, someone committing a crime outside the school may simply not dress in the uniform when committing the crime. Then there is the fact that clothing even more distinctive and individually focused will make identifying a specific person easier whereas only being able to identify by school would lead to every student being investigated by the State.

Bodhisattva said:
It serves a great purpose for students to wear uniforms at school. The purpose that it serves with students is that they are dressed better and that offensive and or distracting items, brands, colors, slogans and pictures are kept out of the learning environment.
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You know, speaking as someone who went to a school without uniforms I have to say that people were not "distracted" by the clothing other people wear. I mean, if a person is wearing something new other students might make a remark, but generally these are at times when such conversation is allowed.

Students are at school to learn. They can express themselves through art, writing, song, poem and speech all day long. They are not being repressed as individuals like you assert.
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"Self-expression zones" huh?

Kelzie said:
Plus reduction in tardiness, discipling problems, sexual assault. You know. Little things.
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Hey back to social control. Of course, none of these justifications here are true.

Kelzie said:
Possibly. I have some wonderful case studies though that suggest everything I listed is quite dramatically improved by making kids wear uniforms. Maybe gang-bangers need baggy jeans to act thug.
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Funny, because I have some scientific studies that say uniforms do jack**** to improve anything.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Demon of Light said:
Let's look at the main intention of these justifications:



Social control.



Social control.



More social control.



What do you know, social control.



Well now, here's an old-fashioned "it is needed so that the State might protect us" argument.

Of course, hardly any of these are as meaningful as any of you think. For instance, someone committing a crime outside the school may simply not dress in the uniform when committing the crime. Then there is the fact that clothing even more distinctive and individually focused will make identifying a specific person easier whereas only being able to identify by school would lead to every student being investigated by the State.



You know, speaking as someone who went to a school without uniforms I have to say that people were not "distracted" by the clothing other people wear. I mean, if a person is wearing something new other students might make a remark, but generally these are at times when such conversation is allowed.



"Self-expression zones" huh?



Hey back to social control. Of course, none of these justifications here are true.



Funny, because I have some scientific studies that say uniforms do jack**** to improve anything.
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So give us links already....
and there is nothing wrong with a little social control, especially with young folk....
heck, even us old folk can be troublesome. Ever hear of Sun City, AZ? a community of retirees, with a very high STD rate....:shock:
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

I see nothing wrong with school uniforms. especially the catholic school girl uniform.
 
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UtahBill said:
So give us links already....
and there is nothing wrong with a little social control, especially with young folk....
heck, even us old folk can be troublesome. Ever hear of Sun City, AZ? a community of retirees, with a very high STD rate....:shock:
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He says that stuff like social control of teenagers is a bad thing.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
He says that stuff like social control of teenagers is a bad thing.
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Teenagers are God's punishment for their parents having unprotected sex....

If they are still living in my house, there is control.
If they are away and in college on my money, there is still SOME control....
If they don't like it, and want to be independent, they are welcome to move out and become self supporting....

Life has rules, some man made, some natural. Either way, violating the rules has consequences.
we were lucky, I guess, we never had to bail either kid out of jail, they got thru college, got married, got jobs, and THEN started making babies, all in proper sequence...:2razz:
 
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Kelzie said:
What are you talking about? Seriously. Diamonds?
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Diamonds are an example to show my point. It could of easily been anything else like a fancy car for example. It doesn't really matter all that much.

School is different from everyday life because you're a CHILD. And children, in addition to having a lot of other annoying chararcteristics, are not able to concentrate as well as adults. Which is why you see such dramatic improvements in schools where uniforms are worn.
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Annoying characteristics? That sounds like a personal problem

Their lack of an attention span is what makes changing something as superficial as clothes work? Are you reaching for straws? I sure hope so.

You do realize that clothes is just a tool, right? The idea it would actually change anything or that the tool just won't change is very stupid.
 
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UtahBill said:
Teenagers are God's punishment for their parents having unprotected sex....
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I need to remember to tell my daughter this. Although, she's 17 and told me this year that she wished that they had school uniforms. A couple of her friends go to private school, and she was told that it was a lot easier to get ready for school in the morning because she'd have to spend zero time picking out her clothes.
 
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UtahBill said:
Teenagers are God's punishment for their parents having unprotected sex....

If they are still living in my house, there is control.
If they are away and in college on my money, there is still SOME control....
If they don't like it, and want to be independent, they are welcome to move out and become self supporting....

Life has rules, some man made, some natural. Either way, violating the rules has consequences.
we were lucky, I guess, we never had to bail either kid out of jail, they got thru college, got married, got jobs, and THEN started making babies, all in proper sequence...:2razz:
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It sounds like you are quite proud of your young adult offspring. As you well should be, of course. Did any of them wear school uniforms when they were growing up?
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Henrin said:
Diamonds are an example to show my point. It could of easily been anything else like a fancy car for example. It doesn't really matter all that much.
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It would have worked a lot better if it had actual proven your point. Making sense would have been a good start too.

Henrin said:
Annoying characteristics? That sounds like a personal problem
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It is. Thankfully, most kids grow out of such personal problems. Not all though.

Henrin said:
Their lack of an attention span is what makes changing something as superficial as clothes work? Are you reaching for straws? I sure hope so.

You do realize that clothes is just a tool, right? The idea it would actually change anything or that the tool just won't change is very stupid.
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Are you familar with the concept of "put up or shut up?" I've provided some evidence that it does work. Now you get to provide something that it doesn't. Otherwise, while you certainly are entertaining, you're not offering much here.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Demon of Light said:
Hey back to social control. Of course, none of these justifications here are true.
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You are aware that all of childhood is one big lesson in social control aren't you? You don't like it? Turn 18.

Demon of Light said:
Funny, because I have some scientific studies that say uniforms do jack**** to improve anything.
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Really? Well, by all means, let's see them.
 
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Kelzie said:
It would have worked a lot better if it had actual proven your point. Making sense would have been a good start too.
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Are you not bitching essentually about what it causes in the group? Is my example not successful in showing it never changes?

It is. Thankfully, most kids grow out of such personal problems. Not all though.
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You must not be around many adults.

Are you familar with the concept of "put up or shut up?" I've provided some evidence that it does work. Now you get to provide something that it doesn't. Otherwise, while you certainly are entertaining, you're not offering much here.
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What are clothes? Think about it.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Henrin said:
Are you not bitching essentually about what it causes in the group? Is my example not successful in showing it never changes?

You must not be around many adults.

What are clothes? Think about it.
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Uh huh. Let me know when you have either logic or a scientific study to offer.
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Kelzie said:
Uh huh. Let me know when you have either logic or a scientific study to offer.
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Don't hold your breath, Kelzie,,,,
To the uneducated and inexperienced, unfounded opinion is all that matters....:2razz:
 
Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

Mickey Shane said:
It sounds like you are quite proud of your young adult offspring. As you well should be, of course. Did any of them wear school uniforms when they were growing up?
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No, and yes......no uniforms required by the school, but standards set by grownups, aka parents....
We paid for their clothing, and we had a say, yea verily even veto power, over what they wore....
 
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