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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

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  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    23 28.05%
  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

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  • Somethin' else.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    I didn't see it, but am kind of surprised it happened in England. They can be very traditional.

    Safer claimed the loonies were upset with traditional notions of dress and genders



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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Kinda torn on this issue.. I do feel it cuts down on the rich v/s the poor and makes all kids equal in reguards to cool clothes. But the rich kids will just spice their uniforms up with $200 kicks and accessories

    I do feel it would make it much more simple on parents though. Also how about having uniforms up til high school. That would be my choice
    It is the other way around... the poor kids are the ones spending $200 bucks on their Air Jordans, money that they can't afford and would be better spent on better food, for instance.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Oh Kelzie... it is just his little silly Appeal to Emotion.

    Dang... I haven't talked with you in a year or so. I hope you are doing great!

    I would say 99.8% of the time we say no. The trick is, never give in. I see so many parents giving in... Once you give in, they know they can break you and they wont stop. My kids know that I mean what I say and say what I mean. They ask, but when I say no, they almost always stop asking.
    So true. My mom let my little sister stay home one day for a fun day. She never hears the end of it now.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have two daughters and use the time out method many times. If done correctly, it is much more effective than spanking, IMO. It has to be done CORRECTLY though... consistently, structured, serious and most of all, loving. It works.
    In some cases I am certain it does, but I did teach at the YMCA, I saw it fail time and time again. I watched the female teachers at their wits end trying to figure out how to discipline not one, but entire classrooms. I think being a male helped, but I am also certain because I would use military style discipline (PT) made me the most feared and liked teacher in the school. My kids after I got done were respectful and good, not scared as DOL would have people believe. My PT hurt, but I did everything they did from the youngest up to the oldest in 8th grade. Physical pain when used correctly with discipline will motivate and in most cases alleviate the bad behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have two of the best behaved kids... seriously. I am told time and time again by teachers, librarians and many others.... even the check out people at the stores, how well behaved and polite they are. It comes from having clear guidelines (rules) and expectations of behaviour.
    And my daughter is an engineer as well as a Bradly Graduate with a Degree in Environmental engineering. Sounds like we both deserve a pat on the back, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I almost spanked them when they were young, because that is how I was raised... but seeing the terror on their face when they understood what was about to happen stopped me. I figured out (I am a single dad, by the way) how to discipline them POSITVELY.
    Do you think I ever spanked my daughter??? Oh hell no, mom did it. I cannot hit my little girl no matter how much she needs it.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Kinda torn on this issue.. I do feel it cuts down on the rich v/s the poor and makes all kids equal in reguards to cool clothes. But the rich kids will just spice their uniforms up with $200 kicks and accessories

    I do feel it would make it much more simple on parents though. Also how about having uniforms up til high school. That would be my choice
    I don't think it's all about rich vs poor... but I know some kids can get picked on for being really poor. I think it helps teach professionalism, and it actually is less distracting. It's hard to explain, but kids aren't worried about what they are wearing.. what other kids are wearing. It's like nobody is competing for attention from boys with their clothing or whatever... Nobody is worried if they look fat or not cool enough... or what they need to wear to look cool to the cool kids.. lol.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In some cases I am certain it does, but I did teach at the YMCA, I saw it fail time and time again. I watched the female teachers at their wits end trying to figure out how to discipline not one, but entire classrooms. I think being a male helped, but I am also certain because I would use military style discipline (PT) made me the most feared and liked teacher in the school. My kids after I got done were respectful and good, not scared as DOL would have people believe. My PT hurt, but I did everything they did from the youngest up to the oldest in 8th grade. Physical pain when used correctly with discipline will motivate and in most cases alleviate the bad behavior.
    Like I said, I don't have a problem with non-angry, non-abusive spanking... I would just never do it. I would say though, that the teachers that can't control a classroom of kids that are being raised by parents that don't have real parental authority are facing an even tougher battle if they don't have the skills themselves. As a teacher, I have first hand experience with this. I teach classroom managment professional developement sessions to taechers. Most of the time, most of the staff are not properly equipped to deal with 25-30 students. It is not an innate thing, it must be learned. Same with positive parenting techniques. If done properly, it not only works, but is more productive to the child/student.

    You have a great daughter, I was spanked and I am great... shucks, so obviously both can work. I just feel that it would be better if more parents would learn positive parenting and use it properly. That's all...
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post

    Do you think I ever spanked my daughter??? Oh hell no, mom did it. I cannot hit my little girl no matter how much she needs it.
    I can't disciple my nieces most of the time... I am always thankful I don't have kids because of that. My kids would be so bad and spoiled... But I don't know how your wife lets you get away with that... making her do all the disciple.

    You always get to be the cool parent.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I can't disciple my nieces most of the time... I am always thankful I don't have kids because of that. My kids would be so bad and spoiled... But I don't know how your wife lets you get away with that... making her do all the disciple.

    You always get to be the cool parent.
    If it worked for them, then it did... but I hear ya, doesn't seem fair.
    But NOBODY is ALWAYS the cool parent, not if you are actually parenting, anyway...

    Keep your kids in a cool place, like a pantry or fridge, if you don't want them to go bad and spoil.
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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I can't disciple my nieces most of the time... I am always thankful I don't have kids because of that. My kids would be so bad and spoiled... But I don't know how your wife lets you get away with that... making her do all the disciple.

    You always get to be the cool parent.
    It is just a dad thing I guess, lol. I mean as I was growing up it was mostly dad who did it because we were boys. Besides I can only think of maybe 2 times she had to be spanked at all. I know one of the times it was because she was doing something and mom said do it now and she said... NO. Well I am glad I was out of the picture when that moment arrived. Needless to say she never said no to mom again, lol.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Show that parents who have more control are more likely to abuse their children. With, you know, a study or something.
    What I am saying is common sense. If a spouse always tries to control what the other spouse is doing that is a red flag. There is no difference here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is a bull**** lie. You want to point out again where I said anything even close too...
    I was unintentionally exaggerating, but the fact is you clearly said that spanking is necessary so you apparently think in some cases violence is the only way to instruct someone.

    Please point out where I said any of that is bad parenting???
    Here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have never been a parent have you? And if you have you are, well this is a good example of how NOT to be a parent.

    And people wonder why kids or so wacked up now days.
    That was your only response to my post where I said among other things that parents should care about what their children want after you said otherwise. If you were not addressing that comment you should not have included it in the quote to which you responded.

    The fact is kids need and expect control from low and behold! A ****ing parent! It is not only OK to control your kids as an adult since YOU KNOW BEST FOR THEM (or at least you are supposed to) it is expected by society to raise well adjusted children who feel (you guessed it!) loved and cared for!

    It's not being kind that makes you a bad parent, it's not being a PARENT, that makes you a bad parent.
    That you think being a parent inherently comes with an unqualified superiority complex says it all.

    Or perhaps considering your complete misunderstanding and over dramatization of everything, have once again jumped to the wrong conclusion?
    I doubt it considering I have not had any "complete misunderstanding" of anything or overdramatized anything.

    OK here is my statement...

    Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment. - Blackdog

    To which you respond with the unadulterated nonsense that completely ignores what I said and makes some kind of lame ass blanket statement that is wrong.

    When you play the risk-reward game you only teach kids not to get caught or that violence is the way to solve your problems. If someone is only raised to weigh actions according to how it may be beneficial or harmful then that person is not going to be capable of reacting appropriately in some situations. - Demon of Light

    Yes I am saying your whole statement is complete and unadulterated nonsense.
    There was nothing nonsensical about my comment. You just apparently fail to understand what your own parenting ideas represent. A notion of "praise" for good kids and "discipline" for bad kids is all about risk-reward.

    Oh my god? Did you read ANYTHING in this thread?
    I sure as hell did. Did you? There were some disinterested comments about it potentially saving money, but the really impassioned arguments are all about social control.

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    Who said that I couldn't come up wtih a valid reason? What a bizarre thing to say...
    I mean, are you trying to make some silly accusation that I might not be a good parent?
    I doubt there are many, if any, truly good parents out there. However, "because I said so" is the common response when someone does not have a real answer.
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