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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

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  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    23 28.05%
  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

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  • Somethin' else.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I did not say it equaled child abuse, only that the same underlying mentality motivates it. To put it simply, you cannot have absolute control over anyone and seeking to attain such control can only have negative consequences.
    Really, cause you say so? That's cute. Show that parents who have more control are more likely to abuse their children. With, you know, a study or something.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    There is no need for parents to be fascists. Child abuse is a result of that desire for control you are expressing.

    What a terrible thing to say. You most certainly should care what kids want.


    These are what I was specifically responding to. Sorry but anyone who things strong discipline is "fascist" is a bad parent.

    Good for your kids.
    Discipline is not abuse, agreed. Thank you.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    I'm ambivalent about school uniforms vs street clothes. There are pro's and con's for each mode.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Just testing my new sig:
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    Post Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    You apparently think spanking is needed, which is just indicative of what I was saying.
    That is a bull**** lie. You want to point out again where I said anything even close too...

    Your problem is you think the only way kids can learn something is with violence, which just may teach them that violence is the only way to get what you want out of someone. -Demon of Light

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    My whole post was about giving kids more freedom and not trying to control them as such. I happen to think it is nice to not try and control people. That you think such kindness is bad parenting is clear enough.
    Please point out where I said any of that is bad parenting??? The fact is kids need and expect control from low and behold! A ****ing parent! It is not only OK to control your kids as an adult since YOU KNOW BEST FOR THEM (or at least you are supposed to) it is expected by society to raise well adjusted children who feel (you guessed it!) loved and cared for!

    It's not being kind that makes you a bad parent, it's not being a PARENT, that makes you a bad parent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The only parents I know that have not spanked a child for the wrong reason at least once are the parents that don't spank. Perhaps you are letting your personal connection to the subject cloud your judgment.
    Or perhaps considering your complete misunderstanding and over dramatization of everything, have once again jumped to the wrong conclusion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Nonsense? Are you saying you were not talking about "disciplining" children? The whole notion is about social conditioning by having the child associate displeasure with something the parent does not desire. It is ingrained in our culture this notion of goods kids getting rewarded and bad kids getting punished. Were you suggesting some different tact?
    OK here is my statement...

    Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment. - Blackdog

    To which you respond with the unadulterated nonsense that completely ignores what I said and makes some kind of lame ass blanket statement that is wrong.

    When you play the risk-reward game you only teach kids not to get caught or that violence is the way to solve your problems. If someone is only raised to weigh actions according to how it may be beneficial or harmful then that person is not going to be capable of reacting appropriately in some situations. - Demon of Light

    Yes I am saying your whole statement is complete and unadulterated nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The whole demand for school uniforms is rooted in a desire for absolute control. It is premised on the idea that somehow you can make kids be in tune with what you consider desirable by forcing them to wear certain clothing.
    Oh my god? Did you read ANYTHING in this thread?
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I think the nature of society can be understood from how it treats its children.
    Perhaps some... but not entirely.

    If you cannot even come up with a valid reason then it indicates you have no business pushing your ideal on anyone, let a lone a child.
    Who said that I couldn't come up wtih a valid reason? What a bizarre thing to say...
    I mean, are you trying to make some silly accusation that I might not be a good parent?

    Originally Posted by BlackDog
    We spanked, lol. Usually only when it got disrespectful though, so it was pretty limited. I think part of the problem then was it was used for everything all the time and that is abusive.

    Today parents, teachers no one has any recourse to discipline a child. Even in sports etc they now teach everyone is a winner! So were is the push for discipline or excellence in anything? I'll tell you... it is not around here.
    I never spanked my daughters. I gave them a little swat a few times when they almost ran into the street with traffic at 2 years-old or so, but I would argue that is a far cry from "spanking". That being said, as long as spanking is not done out of anger or in an abusive manner, I don't really have a problem others doing it ...
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment.

    I agree on your second comment.
    I have two daughters and use the time out method many times. If done correctly, it is much more effective than spanking, IMO. It has to be done CORRECTLY though... consistantly, structured, serious and most of all, loving. It works. I have two of the best behaved kids... seriously. I am told time and time again by teachers, librarians and many others.... even the check out people at the stores, how well behaved and polite they are. It comes from having clear guidelines (rules) and expectations of behaviour.

    I almost spanked them when they were young, because that is how I was raised... but seeing the terror on their face when they understood what was about to happen stopped me. I figured out (I am a single dad, by the way) how to discipline them POSITVELY.

    Originally Posted by Kev316
    So slamming someone's parenting is okay on this board? Okay. Then I suggest YOU are what is wrong with parenting. I have 5 kids: 28, 28, 25, 20, and 10. I agree with most of Demon's post. So let's see -
    Wait... did you do that on purpose? Slam somebody about slamming another?
    Does that make you a another factor of what is wrong with parenting?
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Shopping is much easier. Course there are other reasons too...



    Benefits of School Uniforms in Public Schools | eHow.com

    Wow, 91%. But, easier shopping is super important too.

    I had a police officer say one of the advantages of real uniforms is that they could quickly determine if someone who was not a student was on campus.

    Did you see the 60 minutes morely safer did several years ago concerning the loony left in a part of England where the LL controlled some local schools? They mandated that once in a while the boys had to wear the girls' uniform and vice versa!



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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Really? Prove it. Rules, structure and discipline does not equal child abuse, even a little.
    Oh Kelzie... it is just his little silly Appeal to Emotion.

    Dang... I haven't talked with you in a year or so. I hope you are doing great!

    Sure you should care. And be prepared to completely disregard it. Children want LOTS of things. Being a parent means telling them no 95% of the time
    I would say 99.8% of the time we say no. The trick is, never give in. I see so many parents giving in... Once you give in, they know they can break you and they wont stop. My kids know that I mean what I say and say what I mean. They ask, but when I say no, they almost always stop asking.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I had a police officer say one of the advantages of real uniforms is that they could quickly determine if someone who was not a student was on campus.

    Did you see the 60 minutes morely safer did several years ago concerning the loony left in a part of England where the LL controlled some local schools? They mandated that once in a while the boys had to wear the girls' uniform and vice versa!
    I didn't see it, but am kind of surprised it happened in England. They can be very traditional.
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