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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

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  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

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  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Kinda torn on this issue.. I do feel it cuts down on the rich v/s the poor and makes all kids equal in reguards to cool clothes. But the rich kids will just spice their uniforms up with $200 kicks and accessories

    I do feel it would make it much more simple on parents though. Also how about having uniforms up til high school. That would be my choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment.

    I agree on your second comment.
    Hitting a child to try to teach them right from wrong is one hell of a way to send a message

    Folks can say spanking is not hitting but laying your hands on a child is hitting.

    I sometimes feel spanking is simply lazy parenting and an easy way out for parents. Nothing works but hitting a child? Total B.S.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We spanked, lol. Usually only when it got disrespectful though, so it was pretty limited. I think part of the problem then was it was used for everything all the time and that is abusive.

    Today parents, teachers no one has any recourse to discipline a child. Even in sports etc they now teach everyone is a winner! So were is the push for discipline or excellence in anything? I'll tell you... it is not around here.
    Your problem is you think the only way kids can learn something is with violence, which just may teach them that violence is the only way to get what you want out of someone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You have never been a parent have you? And if you have you are, well this is a good example of how NOT to be a parent.

    And people wonder why kids or so wacked up now days.
    The reason kids are "wacked up" is not because of parents being nicer to their kids, but being less attentive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment.

    I agree on your second comment.
    It sure sounds convincing, but when you get right down to it things rarely work out that way. Of the times I recall my parents spanking me it was never for something legitimately wrong, I tended to get away with the stuff that I did do wrong simply because I did not let them know. Really that is what it comes down to in the end. Kids inevitably get punished for things that are not really wrong, sometimes it is even because the child reacts to something the parent is doing wrong, and learn to try and keep their parents from knowing when they actually do something wrong.

    When you play the risk-reward game you only teach kids not to get caught or that violence is the way to solve your problems. If someone is only raised to weigh actions according to how it may be beneficial or harmful then that person is not going to be capable of reacting appropriately in some situations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Really? Prove it. Rules, structure and discipline does not equal child abuse, even a little.
    I did not say it equaled child abuse, only that the same underlying mentality motivates it. To put it simply, you cannot have absolute control over anyone and seeking to attain such control can only have negative consequences.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    I support schools uniforms. I have spent alot of my time in school with a uniform and a dress code and I also spent alot of time in college without any. I honestly hated having no school uniform when I was given the option of what to wear because my time spent from dressing to go to school sky rocketed.
    In my old school, you could tell what year someone was in by the colour of the badge on their jumper


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    So slamming someone's parenting is okay on this board? Okay. Then I suggest YOU are what is wrong with parenting. I have 5 kids: 28, 28, 25, 20, and 10. I agree with most of Demon's post. So let's see -

    My 28 yo son went to Southern Illinois University.
    My 28 year old daughter went to Illinois State University.
    My 25 year old is at Keller graduate school working on her MBA. She has an accounting degree.
    My 20 year old daughter is at Western Illinois University.
    My 10 year old is a happy, healthy grade schooler.

    With the exception of my ten year old, my kids are on their own and doing very very well. How are yours?
    There is no need for parents to be fascists. Child abuse is a result of that desire for control you are expressing.

    What a terrible thing to say. You most certainly should care what kids want.


    These are what I was specifically responding to. Sorry but anyone who things strong discipline is "fascist" is a bad parent.

    Good for your kids.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Hitting a child to try to teach them right from wrong is one hell of a way to send a message
    Yes it is, do it again and you get the same. Just like most sessages. Amazing how that works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Folks can say spanking is not hitting but laying your hands on a child is hitting.
    I will say exactly what it is ... slapping a hand hitting a kids bottom, I am not worried about you trying to use the word "hitting" in a vain attempt to make it sound abusive when it's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    I sometimes feel spanking is simply lazy parenting and an easy way out for parents. Nothing works but hitting a child? Total B.S.
    Please point out where anyone said nothing works but hitting a child?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    In Taiwan, all school students wear school uniforms.

    I don't believe it should be federally mandated (as per your option), but I would support STATE or LOCAL mandates to wear them...
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Your problem is you think the only way kids can learn something is with violence, which just may teach them that violence is the only way to get what you want out of someone.
    No but this is a good example of them not learning good reading comprehension.

    Now point out where I said anything even close?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The reason kids are "wacked up" is not because of parents being nicer to their kids, but being less attentive.
    What does parents being nicer to their kids have to do with anything I even remotely mentioned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    It sure sounds convincing, but when you get right down to it things rarely work out that way. Of the times I recall my parents spanking me it was never for something legitimately wrong, I tended to get away with the stuff that I did do wrong simply because I did not let them know. Really that is what it comes down to in the end. Kids inevitably get punished for things that are not really wrong, sometimes it is even because the child reacts to something the parent is doing wrong, and learn to try and keep their parents from knowing when they actually do something wrong.
    So a bad parent spanks for the wrong reasons in the first place? No! Spanking or not a bad parent is a bad parent, is a bad parent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    When you play the risk-reward game you only teach kids not to get caught or that violence is the way to solve your problems. If someone is only raised to weigh actions according to how it may be beneficial or harmful then that person is not going to be capable of reacting appropriately in some situations.
    Where did this nonsense come from??? Please point out where anyone in this thread said anything even close to that bat **** insane ranting? Of course I just had to note that watching you play the "risk-reward game" with a 7 year old does make me snicker.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I did not say it equaled child abuse, only that the same underlying mentality motivates it. To put it simply, you cannot have absolute control over anyone and seeking to attain such control can only have negative consequences.
    No one is talking about absolute control, but you.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Kinda torn on this issue.. I do feel it cuts down on the rich v/s the poor and makes all kids equal in reguards to cool clothes. But the rich kids will just spice their uniforms up with $200 kicks and accessories

    I do feel it would make it much more simple on parents though. Also how about having uniforms up til high school. That would be my choice
    Then schools can ban such accessories...


    I strongly support the use of school uniforms. Not the least of which is cost, and I don't have to fight with my girls about what they will wear everyday. Also, as all students are required to wear them along with the class and seat number on the uniform, it can be easily determined if the student is at the place where he/she should be at all times... not to mention easy to distinquish between those who should be there and who shouldn't... So, safety is enhanced as well...
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No but this is a good example of them not learning good reading comprehension.

    Now point out where I said anything even close?
    You apparently think spanking is needed, which is just indicative of what I was saying.

    What does parents being nicer to their kids have to do with anything I even remotely mentioned?
    My whole post was about giving kids more freedom and not trying to control them as such. I happen to think it is nice to not try and control people. That you think such kindness is bad parenting is clear enough.

    So a bad parent spanks for the wrong reasons in the first place? No! Spanking or not a bad parent is a bad parent, is a bad parent.
    The only parents I know that have not spanked a child for the wrong reason at least once are the parents that don't spank. Perhaps you are letting your personal connection to the subject cloud your judgment.

    Where did this nonsense come from??? Please point out where anyone in this thread said anything even close to that bat **** insane ranting? Of course I just had to note that watching you play the "risk-reward game" with a 7 year old does make me snicker.
    Nonsense? Are you saying you were not talking about "disciplining" children? The whole notion is about social conditioning by having the child associate displeasure with something the parent does not desire. It is ingrained in our culture this notion of goods kids getting rewarded and bad kids getting punished. Were you suggesting some different tact?

    No one is talking about absolute control, but you.
    The whole demand for school uniforms is rooted in a desire for absolute control. It is premised on the idea that somehow you can make kids be in tune with what you consider desirable by forcing them to wear certain clothing.
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