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You were not the one who said it.
Then why did you talk to me about it?
No one ever accused you of humility.
Since when does understanding something to be true qualify one as lacking humility? If Kobe Bryant said that he was a great basketball playing, he lacks humility? Nope, it is the intent of talking about it that qualifies it as humility or not. I am not saying that I am a better person for it, just that that is how it is...
That sort of exclusivity-based notion of knowledge is petty and idiotic.
You can have and express any opinion that you want to express. I never said that you couldn't or shouldn't. I have learned things from non-parents. In the overall scheme of things though, until a person has a child and cares and raises that individual for 24/7, with the poopy diapers and the throwing up and the lack of sleep and the skinned knees and they tea parties and the silliness and bedtime stories and ALL OF IT, then your opinion is nice and all, but one that lacks context, perspective, awareness and understanding.
It is like pro-choice women insisting that men cannot argue against abortion because they have never experienced pregnancy/child birth. When you start to apply it everywhere you begin to see the terribly fallacious nature of such arguments. Here are few areas where such logic is exposed as the empty piece of **** it is:
No, that is different. There are facts in abortion that are exclusive and scientific. It is also about, as some people argue it, the potential murder of a developing human. It is not about expressing an opinion about explaining your reasoning to a child.
"You have never lived under shariah law so you have no business criticizing it."
"People who did not live in the death camps during the Holocaust cannot criticize it."
"Since you never once ****ed a seven year-old there is no justification for you telling me it is sick."
How much weight would you give those sorts of arguments?
I would say that you are correct about those types of arguments which are vastly different from the ones that I described. You are talking about an end result, I am talking about depth of understanding. A non-parent has no idea what being a parent is really like. Sure, you see the movies and shows and know some people with kids, but like I described above, that is a very limited view. A non-parent can say that punching your kid in the face is wrong and they would be correct. That is what you are describing above. Sharia Law is oppressive. Molesting is harmful, sick and wrong. Seeing and hearing about death camps and knowing that they are wrong and deathly is open for discussion and everybody has a say. I wouldn't dare tell a woman what it is like to have PMS or that post-partum depression is silly. I am a man and empathize and shut my mouth since it is an experience that I know next to nothing about. Sure, I can read books and know a liot about it, but until I experience it, to talk about it like I have understanding is just falt out stupid. Same thing about non-parents talking to parents about parenting... My daughter almost died a ways back, not parents have ever offered me advice about what it was like or how I reacted or didn't react appropriately... they have the understanding of having moved up the tier system of understanding, that's why. Single. Married. Children. Divorce. Death. Some of the things that those that have not experienced really have no business insisting that they are correct about.
Why not exactly? Is it not better for a child to actually know something other than "my parents tell me this is wrong so I should just not question them"?
Did anybody ever propose not ever including the child on the reasons behind the decision? To say that it should and can be done every time, like I said, is ridiculous and naive.
Given some of what I know about laws in Japan I have to disagree with you.
You disagree with, "School uniforms are not the exclusive perogative of the "repressive state"? That is a universal statement, something that I am starting to learn you have difficulty with.