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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

    27 32.93%
  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    23 28.05%
  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

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  • Somethin' else.

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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's a single research study that has been rendered obsolete by more current research. See, if you had a good education, you'd understand these things.
    Like research from the uk?

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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Most uniforms in public schools are commensurate with parents' financial circumstances, and typically include khaki pants/skirts/shorts that can be worn anywhere, with a single-colored polo or cotton shirt.

    I'd suggest that these items could be purchased at goodwill and/or any other inexpensive store (Target, anyone?). Target, Walmart, and Old Navy all carry uniform-style clothing that will work with most schools' uniform codes.
    Most, but you couldn't guarantee all. And, it would depend on how restrictive the uniform codes are. I took the question to mean actual uniforms, not just a very restrictive dress code.

    Like I said, it should depend on the school, not one policy for the entire nation or even state. Not every school needs uniforms, or even a horribly restrictive dress code to ensure the students are not being distracted or not being harassed because of their clothing.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Most, but you couldn't guarantee all. And, it would depend on how restrictive the uniform codes are. I took the question to mean actual uniforms, not just a very restrictive dress code.

    Like I said, it should depend on the school, not one policy for the entire nation or even state. Not every school needs uniforms, or even a horribly restrictive dress code to ensure the students are not being distracted or not being harassed because of their clothing.
    All schools should have uniforms for students, and a dress code for teachers. The particulars should be decided on locally, not centrally, but there should be a uniform.

    Some teachers dress like they're ready for a day at the ballpark, not like they're setting an example for kids. That is unfortunate, and shouldn't be allowed. Some students dress like they're studying to be street people, hookers, or perhaps gangbangers. That shouldn't be allowed, neither by parents nor by schools.

    Both teachers and students need to show some pride!
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Teenagers who took part in the Oxford Brookes University survey said dress codes acted as a social leveller and reduced the risk of children being picked on for wearing "weird" clothes

    Read more: School uniform improves pupils' behaviour both in and out of school | Mail Online

    A survey is the raw data for a study, or did you miss that in school?
    Except it only mentions a survey. A survey is just a poll and in this case it literally is just asking how students feel about uniforms, in a country that primarily uses uniforms. On the other hand, I presented a real study that actually looks at something more than what the kids think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You did that (turned 18) a very short time ago, based on the content of your posts.
    You mean the fact I disagree with you. Believe it or not, someone can have a problem with the state trying to manipulate kids without actually being one.

    When you have children of your own, which won't be for several more years hopefully, you will change your mind. When you do, you can come back here and tell us you were wrong. Until then, you won't recognize that you are no matter what the rest of us say.
    Such arrogance. Is that something you gain with "experience" as well? Actually, I imagine that is just a trait you failed to grow out of over those many years.

    I turned 18 a while back, too, about 50 years back to be exact.
    All that tells me is that you may very well have some antiquated notions and you think the number of times the Earth has gone around the sun since you sprang from your mother's loins gives you some mystical knowledge of the world inaccessible to those who have not gone through what you have gone through. I get that you may not take kindly to the notion that someone can know as much or more than you about the world without having to live as long as you, but it does not mean it is not the case.

    I have three wonderful grandsons who wouldn't be so wonderful without that terribe authoritarian style of rule their parents subject them to.
    How do you know they wouldn't? Did you use your time machine to go back and see how they turned out when raised differently? The truth is you do not know exactly why people turn out the way they do and instead rely on what your gut tells you is the right answer, your gut responding to your preconceptions about what will be the right answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your survey dates to 1997.
    Are you saying that the effect of school uniforms is time-sensitive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's a single research study that has been rendered obsolete by more current research. See, if you had a good education, you'd understand these things.
    Obviously you needed a better education, because that is not how it works at all. You cited an opinion poll of teenagers in the UK and that does not in any way trump a study that takes into account actual facts. Even if your "study" wasn't just an opinion poll one study being more recent does not magically give it more authority. It is fallacious to argue otherwise.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    My post:

    I have three wonderful grandsons who wouldn't be so wonderful without that terribe authoritarian style of rule their parents subject them to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    How do you know they wouldn't? Did you use your time machine to go back and see how they turned out when raised differently? The truth is you do not know exactly why people turn out the way they do and instead rely on what your gut tells you is the right answer, your gut responding to your preconceptions about what will be the right answer.


    Because of that experience you seem to think isn't important. After thirty eight years of teaching other people's children, I can tell you with no doubt at all that kids who are allowed to do whatever they like don't turn out so well. Parents have to set limits. I can also tell from your posts that you lack that essential you seem to think is unimportant: Experience.

    Oh, yes, and 50 years ago, I would have totally agreed with this one:

    All that tells me is that you may very well have some antiquated notions and you think the number of times the Earth has gone around the sun since you sprang from your mother's loins gives you some mystical knowledge of the world inaccessible to those who have not gone through what you have gone through. I get that you may not take kindly to the notion that someone can know as much or more than you about the world without having to live as long as you, but it does not mean it is not the case.


    And even said similar things myself.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I'm not paranoid. See that guy over there that keeps staring at me? He's paranoid.

    So your point is that it's OK on the kids because there are hundreds of different uniforms being worn today by adults? There is also a large portion of the population that does not wear a uniform. Do not forget these people. You, are probably one of us. Did you wear a uniform during your compulsory education years?
    What? You are now turning it around... you are saying that it is military indocrination. I am pointing out the fallacy in that. There are many careers that entail wearing a uniform. Sorry, you have a nice opinion... but that's it.

    Originally Posted by Dittohead not!
    Yes, and noticing when kids are behaving themselves, and thinking, "What a great school that must be!"

    It's about pride in oneself, as well as pride in one's school.
    Yep... we get calls like that as well, but not as many. People tend to point out the negative in agrander scale for some reason.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

    Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

    Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like.
    Perhaps you can offer evidence instead of your boring little opinion?

    ...and people should be proud in everything they do, as well as where they live, work and how they dress, among other things.

    I shouldn't continue, but...
    Dude, you haven't said ****... a bonobo is born every minute.

    Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    You know, speaking as someone who went to a school without uniforms I have to say that people were not "distracted" by the clothing other people wear. I mean, if a person is wearing something new other students might make a remark, but generally these are at times when such conversation is allowed.
    Maybe you weren't, but in the overall sense, it is quite distracting. That is not my main reason though...

    "Self-expression zones" huh?
    I have no idea were you get that from what I said...
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    What are you talking about? Seriously. Diamonds?

    School is different from everyday life because you're a CHILD. And children, in addition to having a lot of other annoying chararcteristics, are not able to concentrate as well as adults. Which is why you see such dramatic improvements in schools where uniforms are worn.
    Liberty, Kelzie... why can't you grasp this!
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Already did that a while ago, that does not mean I have any newfound love for social control. The demand for conformity and the authoritarian style of rule are just as repulsive to me now as they ever were.
    Studies show that children not only need structure (control) but want it... and wtf am I debating parenting with you for. 19, 20 years old? good grief.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Uh huh. Let me know when you have either logic or a scientific study to offer.
    We have three angry teenagers debating a bunch of parents and teachers... think that we will reach any compromise?
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