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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

    27 32.93%
  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    23 28.05%
  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

    6 7.32%
  • Somethin' else.

    26 31.71%
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

    Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

    Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like.
    Last edited by Henrin; 12-28-10 at 09:37 PM.

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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I wonder if society should just do uniforms. Afterall, it improves behavior.

    Oh yeah, that is wrong. Funny how that works.

    Well not to people that think dictators will do something they like.
    It's wrong to do things that improve behavior?
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Federally mandated uniforms will go over well in Nazi Germany or Repressive N Korea.
    Not here, obviously, at least to many of us.
    A problem may exist, there are better ways to handle this, with open-ness, honesty, respect, not repression and hatred as in N Korea, supposedly.
    I do not trust our media.
    An idea - if a child commits an offense, then the child and parent should face discipline together.
    yeah a bunch of cute catholic school girls in short kilts causes me to hear Deutschland Duetschland Uber Alles in my head NOT

    and disciplining the parent-that sounds FACIST to me



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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    It's wrong to do things that improve behavior?
    If you have no compass to guide you than any action with any sort of postive result is acceptable. In that case you are a complete lost cause. You should be able to see the problem with uniforms, you should be able to see the basic reality of the situation without me trying to go extreme on you. However, when I did, you still didn't even wink, so I see little reason to continue this.

    Let me just say this, liberty.

    Understand it and get back to me.
    Last edited by Henrin; 12-28-10 at 10:11 PM.

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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you have no compass to guide you than any action with any sort of postive result is acceptable. In that case you are a complete lost cause. You should be able to see the problem with uniforms, you should be able to see the basic reality of the situation without me trying to go extreme on you. However, when I did, you still didn't even wink, so I see little reason to continue this.
    And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
    you start wearing the blue and brown and
    You're working for the clampdown
    So you got someone to boss around
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    And the problem with uniforms is that we'll turn into Nazi Germany, right?
    I shouldn't continue, but...

    Try to keep up if you can. Your reasoning that you have put forth this entire thread, and yes, I read the entire thing, your excuse is the behavior changes would be enough to warrant it. So using that reasoning, if everyone in society at all times wore a uniform behavior in society would be better. Is it false or does your compass stop you from agreeing?

    Or are you saying the difference is important? Why? Because the kids are in school? Why is school different than everyday life? Does it change any sort of relationship in people? Do people really change? If I walk into a store covered in diamonds are people really going to accept it? Are you saying that somehow kids in schools run on a different principle than anything else. How very odd. Look, I'm not interested in hearing whatever you wish to say to belittle children if that is what you wish to do to reason the difference, just know the difference is nothing.

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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I shouldn't continue, but...

    Try to keep up if you can. Your reasoning that you have put forth this entire thread, and yes, I read the entire thing, your excuse is the behavior changes would be enough to warrant it. So using that reasoning, if everyone in society at all times wore a uniform behavior in society would be better. Is it false or does your compass stop you from agreeing?

    Or are you saying the difference is important? Why? Because the kids are in school? Why is school different than everyday life? Does it change any sort of relationship in people? Do people really change? If I walk into a store covered in diamonds are people really going to accept it? Are you saying that somehow kids in schools run on a different principle than anything else. How very odd. Look, I'm not interested in hearing whatever you wish to say to belittle children if that is what you wish to do to reason the difference, just know the difference is nothing.
    What are you talking about? Seriously. Diamonds?

    School is different from everyday life because you're a CHILD. And children, in addition to having a lot of other annoying chararcteristics, are not able to concentrate as well as adults. Which is why you see such dramatic improvements in schools where uniforms are worn.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Let's look at the main intention of these justifications:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No more gang signs, clothes, colors, etc.
    Social control.

    No more games of "how much flesh can I show before they bust me."
    Social control.

    No more "my brand is better than yours, so I'm better than you."
    More social control.

    No more focus on clothes, so they can focus on learning instead.
    What do you know, social control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    As well as members of the community calling in and informing the school or police that some kids dressed in our uniforms just committed some offense...
    Well now, here's an old-fashioned "it is needed so that the State might protect us" argument.

    Of course, hardly any of these are as meaningful as any of you think. For instance, someone committing a crime outside the school may simply not dress in the uniform when committing the crime. Then there is the fact that clothing even more distinctive and individually focused will make identifying a specific person easier whereas only being able to identify by school would lead to every student being investigated by the State.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It serves a great purpose for students to wear uniforms at school. The purpose that it serves with students is that they are dressed better and that offensive and or distracting items, brands, colors, slogans and pictures are kept out of the learning environment.
    You know, speaking as someone who went to a school without uniforms I have to say that people were not "distracted" by the clothing other people wear. I mean, if a person is wearing something new other students might make a remark, but generally these are at times when such conversation is allowed.

    Students are at school to learn. They can express themselves through art, writing, song, poem and speech all day long. They are not being repressed as individuals like you assert.
    "Self-expression zones" huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Plus reduction in tardiness, discipling problems, sexual assault. You know. Little things.
    Hey back to social control. Of course, none of these justifications here are true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Possibly. I have some wonderful case studies though that suggest everything I listed is quite dramatically improved by making kids wear uniforms. Maybe gang-bangers need baggy jeans to act thug.
    Funny, because I have some scientific studies that say uniforms do jack**** to improve anything.
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    Re: Should school uniforms be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Funny, because I have some scientific studies that say uniforms do jack**** to improve anything.
    I'm sure you do. However, the most CURRENT research on the subject suggests that school uniforms decrease disciplinary problems and bullying.

    School uniform improves pupils' behaviour both in and out of school | Mail Online

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