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Uniforms in public schools...

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I have never stated my age anywhere on this forum. All I said is that I had already turned 18 a while ago.

True, yet several of us have come to the same conclusion based on the content of your posts. Why do you think that is?
 
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Wow, you really just proved your own hypocrisy for calling me arrogant and condescending.



At the ages Henrin is talking about being a good parent is far more relevant. Only if you are a control freak who looks down on your kids would you think raising the average teenager is harder.

Far more relevant? If you don't have them under control by age 5 or 6, you will be spending the next 15 years trying to regain lost ground. And the teen years will probably be the hardest.
As for control freak, it appears you and Henren have been subjected to such control. Just getting your side of the story isn't enough to make a judgement in your case, but I have seen the results of control freaks...the kids move away as soon as possible and hardly ever come back.
Looking for sympathy won't be any help. We all have our burdens in life, and it is up to each of us to find a way to overcome those burderns.
 
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I went to a private school without uniforms and there wasn't any discipline problems. *Shrug*

Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless.

Originally Posted by UtahBill
Private schools usually have fewer discipline problems, as mom and dad are paying big bucks for tuition, and won't tolerate their kids wasting their money.

I only worked at one private school and I can tell you quite confidently that there are discipline problems, but teachers and admins are often a little afraid to bring them up since daddy can get you fired or if it is serious enough and brought up, it is sometimes bought off and hidden.
 
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True, yet several of us have come to the same conclusion based on the content of your posts. Why do you think that is?

I tried explaining. He doesn't actually want to know.
 
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Obviously... so? Just look at Utah here, he is far older than me and I am much more wise than he.


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you dissin' me, junior?:2razz:
 
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A fight of experience! I don't need grandkids to know the basics of how to raise kids, jackass.

Comprehension issues? He quite clearly stated, "raise kids".

I will say my experience comes from having a nine year old and two year old.

You had a child at ten years-old?

Not like it matters, you have grandkids, so you win the fight of EXPERIENCE!

Perhaps the first correct thing that you have said...

If someone fails to see humor they're dumb? Nice perspective you've got there.

He said, "not smart enough", not dumb. Try again...

I have no idea it was a seventeen years ago.

You have no idea what school you went to? That might be the first time that I have ever heard a person say that. Seriously does not bode well for your memory about such subtle issues like discipline problems and other aspects regarding uniforms. Do you remember the town it was in? What color were the uniforms? Like I said, a bonobo born every minute... :)
 
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you dissin' me, junior?:2razz:

I didn't know archaic minds like yours knew of jive lingo like "dissin'" Will wonders never cease! ;)
 
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I didn't know archaic minds like yours knew of jive lingo like "dissin'" Will wonders never cease! ;)

learned it watching that newfangle Television thingy, the grandkids bought it for me, to keep me from wandering the streets at night, looking in windows....cops won't buy it that I am a spy for Santa..BTW, you get nothing next christmas...
 
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Wow, you really just proved your own hypocrisy for calling me arrogant and condescending.

I think that she just feels sorry for you... that is empathy.

At the ages Henrin is talking about being a good parent is far more relevant. Only if you are a control freak who looks down on your kids would you think raising the average teenager is harder.

Dude, one word. Sarcasm.
 
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...but they will be right and we will still be oppressive control minded idiots...
at least they can do their pouting where the rest of their family doesn't have to see it....:2razz:
 
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Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless.



I only worked at one private school and I can tell you quite confidently that there are discipline problems, but teachers and admins are often a little afraid to bring them up since daddy can get you fired or if it is serious enough and brought up, it is sometimes bought off and hidden.

I said "fewer", not "none", show some respect for your betters, or elders, or both, as the case might be....:2razz:
 
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I said "fewer", not "none", show some respect for your betters, or elders, or both, as the case might be....:2razz:

Elders in this case, and one with alzheimer's. The first part, "Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless" was to the kid. The second part was to you. ;)
 
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There are several wise people in DP, some of them are even young, and that is admirable. But youth is a time to learn the most important thing about learning, we must keep doing it, constantly. That is the only way to find out that much of what we think we know turns out to be so much Caca del Toro....
 
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Elders in this case, and one with alzheimer's. The first part, "Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless" was to the kid. The second part was to you. ;)

I got that....and it is halfzheimer's....get out of the sun, son, you are getting well done....
 
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I got that....and it is halfzheimer's....get out of the sun, son, you are getting well done....

Actually, I don't have the kids for a few days, so today is gonna be a repeat of yesterday. A few hours of surfing followed by a few hours of golf followed by an hour or so of soccer on the beach and wrapped up with a beer and a BBQ.
 
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You can't remember your school's name? Not all that memorable, I guess.

Do you remember your teachers name when you were in fifth grade? I do, but I can't remember the name of the school. I don't think its that big of a deal.

9 and 2? you haven't raised them yet!!! You got a real treat coming....the TEEN YEARS....:2razz:

Yeah, I know. They are both girls too.

Way to demonstrate respect, Henrin.

I'm sorry, but did he NOT just call me dumb before that? Am I supposed to be the shining light of respect because I'm younger?

You can say whatever you like. There is no way for us to check it out, anyway.

Back at you buddy.

Good thing.

Yeah, good thing. :roll:

You don't remember what school you went to seventeen years ago?

My memory is pretty good on most things but when I was eleven I focused more on the people around me than the schools name, so forgive me if it got lost on me.

UtahBill said:
Far more relevant? If you don't have them under control by age 5 or 6, you will be spending the next 15 years trying to regain lost ground. And the teen years will probably be the hardest.

Bingo. I think this was kind of his point. Teaching kids how to behave and getting them under control when they are young is key.

As for control freak, it appears you and Henren have been subjected to such control. Just getting your side of the story isn't enough to make a judgement in your case,

My parents were anything but controlling actually. I'm just very venomous towards controlling behavior to a large degree.

...but I have seen the results of control freaks...the kids move away as soon as possible and hardly ever come back.

My point again. If you put to much control in the picture the kids won't like you and most likely won't visit after they move out.

Looking for sympathy won't be any help. We all have our burdens in life, and it is up to each of us to find a way to overcome those burderns.

I don't understand this one. How is he looking for sympathy?

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Comprehension issues? He quite clearly stated, "raise kids".

Have you ever heard of grandparents having a large role in raising their grandkids? If the kids spend the night at his house often, he is having a big role on raising them. Learn to see the big picture.

Not one kid ever got into trouble about anything? You are a liar and your observations are noted as worthless.

Not really. We were a lovable bunch.

Ok, there was a kid that liked running in the hallway, but running is not really a bad thing, imho.
 
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Have you ever heard of grandparents having a large role in raising their grandkids? If the kids spend the night at his house often, he is having a big role on raising them. Learn to see the big picture.

So when he is talking about raising kids and talks abour raising his own kids and never mentions grandparents raising kids, I am missing the big picture that grandparents are somehow involved when I say that he is clearly taking about raising kids when I use his quote about "raising kids" as evidence? LOL! Seriously?

Not really. We were a lovable bunch.

Ok, there was kid that liked running in the hallway, but running is not really a bad thing, imho.

I take back the liar comment, since a person with the memory problems that you have isn't really lying, just kinda lost.

I just can't believe that you had your first kid at 10 years-old... that is amazing.
 
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Feeling pity isn't condescending or arrogant.

Saying "you poor thing" is pretty damn condescending and certainly indicates arrogance in that you think I am someone beneath you.

I said you were inferior? Provide a link please or kindly keep your inferiority complex to yourself...

FOR ****'S SAKE MAN KEEP TRACK OF THE DAMN CONVERSATION! We were talking about something dittohead said and it was not even remotely related to anyone calling me inferior.

Then kindly display the fallacy...

Fallacious does not mean that there is some named fallacy if that is what you are asking for. I am saying your reasoning is faulty.

Argumentative... one can be confident in some aspects of themselves and not in others.

I do not think it really matters since we are talking about your attitude in this case, not in general.

Naive is not inferior... sorry.

I was not referring to those comments.

I didn't say simplistic, I said "conscious". You really need to start reading better...

I know what you said and what I was saying is that it is something I would have pondered. If I had wanted someone to "control" me it is something I would have recognized.

I believe you actually said, "a short time ago".

No, that is what someone else said. I only said "a while ago" and you should check since you obviously haven't.

All in all, you have your opinion based off of nothing other than lack of experience. Good for you. Keep telling us that have gone through the experiences ourself that we don't know what we are talking about.

Just because you have experienced something does not mean you are better at objectively analyzing it. Actually, personal experience tends to have the opposite effect.

If anything, I would argue that you have an inferiority complex that you mask with a ridiculous amount of arrogance. It seems to seep from every word that you say...

No, you see I just a get little hostile when people talk down to me and treat me like I am beneath them. It has nothing to do with feeling inferior.

True, yet several of us have come to the same conclusion based on the content of your posts. Why do you think that is?

Like I said, it is to be expected that people of the same mind on an issue would use the same fallacious reasoning. Let us be clear your presumption about my age is not based on anything even remotely approaching reason, but entirely based on the fact that I am disagreeing with you.

Far more relevant? If you don't have them under control by age 5 or 6, you will be spending the next 15 years trying to regain lost ground.

Am I to talk that as essentially agreeing with what I said?

As for control freak, it appears you and Henren have been subjected to such control. Just getting your side of the story isn't enough to make a judgement in your case, but I have seen the results of control freaks...the kids move away as soon as possible and hardly ever come back.

My parents are hardcore Evangelicals so in a sense I was. However, I got away with plenty they would not have wanted so their attempts at control were miserable failures. That is the point. Using something like uniforms to control kids is not going to work and can only cause damage. You should not presume that someone turning out well later in life in any way reflects on a parent's actions. Teenagers are human beings after all and they are exposed to far more people and situations than those concerning their parents. They also have their own minds to figure things out with.

Looking for sympathy won't be any help. We all have our burdens in life, and it is up to each of us to find a way to overcome those burderns.

I am not looking for sympathy.
 
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Saying "you poor thing" is pretty damn condescending and certainly indicates arrogance in that you think I am someone beneath you.

:shrug: Or that I feel sorry for you. I felt sorry for Bush sometimes and his job was a tad more powerful than mine is.
 
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FOR ****'S SAKE MAN KEEP TRACK OF THE DAMN CONVERSATION! We were talking about something dittohead said and it was not even remotely related to anyone calling me inferior.

Sure it is, with all your whining about being labeled as inferior and your bitching about authoritarian complexes and your crying about control issues...

Oh please, the whole "I am older and have gone through more so I have the experience to tell me that I am right" is something I have heard to justify all sorts of positions. If what you were saying were somehow different from what I have heard when discussing foreign policy or criminal justice with people older than me I might give the baseless claim some weight. Rather all I am getting from you is that you do not have an adequate explanation for why you think you are right, most likely because it is purely your gut feeling and not something based in reason, and thus go for a cop-out.

You are exhibiting the typical authoritarian mindset. That is to say you think that without exercising control over others and manipulating them the only other possible outcome is chaos.

You cannot tell anything from my posts. Do not act like you are some sort of psychic. Rather you refuse to believe that someone can differ from you on this without being a child and thus beneath you.

I have no doubt that you did not know more than your seniors. Actually, it seems most of the people on here who are so insistent that anyone under the age of 20 is an inferior being were irresponsible pricks at that age. So I am not surprised you would assume everyone has to be that way at such an age.

I cannot think of any time when I was a child that I wanted people to control me. I like how people like you presume you know my age and then presume from your initial presumption that I must be inferior to you. Sorry, but you are not that good.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/88462-uniforms-public-schools-27.html#post1059187832

It is just one long winded diatribe... you will be a facing a time-out soon, junior.

Fallacious does not mean that there is some named fallacy if that is what you are asking for. I am saying your reasoning is faulty.

When using fallicious during a debate, it generally refers to a logical fallacy. That is fine then, show how my reasoning is faulty, if you don't mind.

I do not think it really matters since we are talking about your attitude in this case, not in general.

Even with regards to me, it is argumentative...

I was not referring to those comments.

Right, got it. Each time I nail you you say, "I was not talking to you" or "I was not referring to those comments" or "that is what someone else said"... it is cyclical.

I know what you said and what I was saying is that it is something I would have pondered. If I had wanted someone to "control" me it is something I would have recognized.

Is the nature of "consciousness" foreign to you? Thoughts, ideas and feelings that you are not conscious of are not known to you, hence pondering about it is irrelevant.

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–noun
1. the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.
2. the thoughts and feelings, collectively, of an individual or of an aggregate of people: the moral consciousness of a nation.
3. full activity of the mind and senses, as in waking life: to regain consciousness after fainting.
4. awareness of something for what it is; internal knowledge: consciousness of wrongdoing.
5. concern, interest, or acute awareness: class consciousness.
6. the mental activity of which a person is aware as contrasted with unconscious mental processes.
7. Philosophy . the mind or the mental faculties as characterized by thought, feelings, and volition.


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No, that is what someone else said. I only said "a while ago" and you should check since you obviously haven't.

It might have been Henrin in all the back and forths... and I did check, just checked again, spent ten minutes filtering through threads and couldn't find it.

Just because you have experienced something does not mean you are better at objectively analyzing it. Actually, personal experience tends to have the opposite effect.

Just because I have personal experience doesn't mean that I am not better at objectively analysing it. I am sure that you have a study or two that would refute me and verify your claim then? I would argue that perception is the key cognitive factor and that somebody who has experienced something and has average abilities at perception would be better at objectively analysing their experiences than would a person that has no or little experience on the matter.

No, you see I just a get little hostile when people talk down to me and treat me like I am beneath them. It has nothing to do with feeling inferior.

I have only said that you are naive... that has nothing to do with being beneath me. Wouldn't you agree?

Like I said, it is to be expected that people of the same mind on an issue would use the same fallacious reasoning. Let us be clear your presumption about my age is not based on anything even remotely approaching reason, but entirely based on the fact that I am disagreeing with you.

I think that I got your comment mixed up with Henrins... If I did, then I am wrong. I can't recall though, nor do I care to talk about it anymore, since my initial usage of that was for comedic value about teenagers. My point has been though, that you lack experience and have a naive view about parenting and all that it entails. This really isn't debatable. You do, in fact, lack the experience that I and others have, that is what we keep telling you. Based off of our experience and the things that you keep saying, it is pretty obvious to us. You can think that our personal experience and you lack of personal experience somehow makes equally able to discern the complexities and nuances of what parenting entails if you like. It is just silly though, for reasons already stated and not refuted.

My parents are hardcore Evangelicals so in a sense I was. However, I got away with plenty they would not have wanted so their attempts at control were miserable failures. That is the point.

No. The point is hardcore Evangelicals tried to control you and you resent it. Their failure is irrelevant.

Using something like uniforms to control kids is not going to work and can only cause damage.

And you have yet to show one tangible bit of proof regarding this matter. Not one. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

You should not presume that someone turning out well later in life in any way reflects on a parent's actions. Teenagers are human beings after all and they are exposed to far more people and situations than those concerning their parents. They also have their own minds to figure things out with.

Another naive comment. Of course everybody has their own mind, but parents actions have an enormous amount of influence on a child, both positive and negative.
 
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:shrug: Or that I feel sorry for you. I felt sorry for Bush sometimes and his job was a tad more powerful than mine is.

The most important work we will ever do will be within the walls of our own homes
 
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The most important work we will ever do is within the walls of our own homes....

:lol: I think no matter what I manage to accomplish in my house, Bush will still have had more of an impact that I do!
 
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Like I said, it is to be expected that people of the same mind on an issue would use the same fallacious reasoning. Let us be clear your presumption about my age is not based on anything even remotely approaching reason, but entirely based on the fact that I am disagreeing with you.

I can't speak for the rest, but in my conclusion was entirely based on the content of your posts. Many people have disagreed with me on these forums without me concluding that they were teens.
 
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I'm sorry, but did he NOT just call me dumb before that? Am I supposed to be the shining light of respect because I'm younger?

No, because of your comment above:

I hear being disrespectful is fine if you're a parent or teacher.
 
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