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  • Uniforms should be federally mandated in all public schools.

    27 32.93%
  • No public school students should have to wear uniforms.

    23 28.05%
  • Uniforms should only be used in public schools with lots of discipline problems.

    6 7.32%
  • Somethin' else.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    As a teacher at a school with uniforms and a parent of a child at another school with uniforms (all schools in the country use them except for the American and European ex-pat schools), I MUCH prefer school uniforms, for reasons mentioned in an earlier post AND because I never have to fight with my girls about what they are going to wear to school in the morning.
    As a teacher at a school with uniforms and a parent of a child at another school with uniforms, I MUCH prefer school uniforms as well!

    Most countries use school uniforms in public schools. I love school uniforms. Before moving here, I didn't really think much on it, though I now look back and think that uniforms would be great for US public education.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Your analogy (and your common sense) falls apart because spouses do not need to control each other. Parents need to control their children. Anyone who says differently has never had a child. Even the worst parents agrees that a kid needs to be controlled sometimes.

    Seriously though. There are a ton of studies of abusive parents. Back up your point. I only insist because I know you completely made it up.
    This is all about the mindset. If you think seeking to always control people cannot lead to abuse then you are quite mistaken. There are only a few kinds of control deeper than seeking to control one's image as an individual and one's image in a group, which is what school uniforms are about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Argumentative and fallicious...
    Not at all. I would never presume that I automatically know better than someone, regardless of age.

    There are many... sorry you don't know any of them.
    There are many who think themselves to be good parents and if I were being more lenient about what it takes to be a "good" parent I might agree, but I am not being lenient about it right now.

    And if you re-read why I toss out the ol' "Because I said so" as well as all the rest that I have written you might find out why having or not having the good or real answer is irrelevant...
    It is not about whether you consider your answer "good" or "real" but whether it is a valid one. Providing a logical explanation for your reasons is important in everything.

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    I have decided responding to you is pretty useless at this point. I did however want to cover your highlighted statement...

    If that were true, people like you would never have survived. Good parents protected and guided their young so they would not be eaten by predators.

    Welcome to the jungle.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it is, do it again and you get the same. Just like most sessages. Amazing how that works.



    I will say exactly what it is ... slapping a hand hitting a kids bottom, I am not worried about you trying to use the word "hitting" in a vain attempt to make it sound abusive when it's not.



    Please point out where anyone said nothing works but hitting a child?
    Here is what you said "Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment."

    So sounds as if that is what you were saying to me.

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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is the other way around... the poor kids are the ones spending $200 bucks on their Air Jordans, money that they can't afford and would be better spent on better food, for instance.
    Give me a break! You really gonna sit here and try to convince me the preps/rich kids do not buy and have high dollar kicks? Dude please

    But you are right that some poor kids get them maybe a few times a year as gifts or something. Or maybe from goodwill, thrift shops, clothing closets, etc.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It is the other way around... the poor kids are the ones spending $200 bucks on their Air Jordans, money that they can't afford and would be better spent on better food, for instance.
    Wha? Rich kids don't buy expensive shoes, it's the poor kids that do? LOL!


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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In some cases I am certain it does, but I did teach at the YMCA, I saw it fail time and time again. I watched the female teachers at their wits end trying to figure out how to discipline not one, but entire classrooms. I think being a male helped, but I am also certain because I would use military style discipline (PT) made me the most feared and liked teacher in the school. My kids after I got done were respectful and good, not scared as DOL would have people believe. My PT hurt, but I did everything they did from the youngest up to the oldest in 8th grade. Physical pain when used correctly with discipline will motivate and in most cases alleviate the bad behavior.



    And my daughter is an engineer as well as a Bradly Graduate with a Degree in Environmental engineering. Sounds like we both deserve a pat on the back, lol.



    Do you think I ever spanked my daughter??? Oh hell no, mom did it. I cannot hit my little girl no matter how much she needs it.
    hah! So you cannot even spank your own child so conversation we were having on spanking is moot as you cannot even bring yourself to do something you saying needs to be done. haha. Funny.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Here is what you said "Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand. If they tried that time out crap with me or one of my brothers, please. It would have stopped us from doing nothing. Time out and other stupid disciplinary crap (Mostly by egg heads who never had kids no less) that does not work. Even kids think it's a joke. In the end those of us who were spanked occasionally did well, we knew about boundaries and punishment."

    So sounds as if that is what you were saying to me.
    Because you see what you want to see, not what is there. Here is the bases of my statement...

    "Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand.

    Do I really need to break that down? Or as usual are you assuming I said things I did not?

    Sometimes does not mean "only."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Laying your hands on children to put fear in them instead of talking to them to teach lessons is being a crappy lazy parent
    Please point out where anyone said anything about fear? Oh, you can't?
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    hah! So you cannot even spank your own child so conversation we were having on spanking is moot as you cannot even bring yourself to do something you saying needs to be done. haha. Funny.
    Irrelevant, I let her get spanked by her mother. I was a partner to her punishment.

    Today she is successful and happy, we win as did society as a whole.
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    This is all about the mindset. If you think seeking to always control people cannot lead to abuse then you are quite mistaken. There are only a few kinds of control deeper than seeking to control one's image as an individual and one's image in a group, which is what school uniforms are about.
    Parents don't always seek to control, they seek to control for about 18 years. And it appears you have nothing to bring except an irrational paranoia of uniforms. Still no evidence?
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    Re: Uniforms in public schools...

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Because you see what you want to see, not what is there. Here is the bases of my statement...

    "Spanking is not abuse, sometimes it is the only thing kids will understand.

    Do I really need to break that down? Or as usual are you assuming I said things I did not?

    Sometimes does not mean "only."



    Please point out where anyone said anything about fear? Oh, you can't?
    Forget fear and replace it with understand then.. Still lazy parenting if you use spanking a child as way to make them understand something.

    Spanking instills fear. If you are cool with kids not doing stuff cause they know their parents are gonna hit em rather than teaching em life lessons without having to raise your hand to em? Knock yourself out. Of course it was not YOU doing the DIRTY Deed! You made your wife do it.

    BTW, it does sound like you all did a good job and have a wonderful girl though
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