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    33 44.59%
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    You are aware that the US produces A LOT of things. We count for roughly 15% of the world's export total. That is the biggest for any nation. And if prodcing things like textiles or the junk China does. Than NO WAY. We are also one of the luckiest countries in the world that can self sustain itself for generations to come. A quarter of the world's nations can't even feed themselves let alone sustain themselves. Other nation's only wished they could model themselves after us. And sadly, it appears from posters like you on this forum. You think we should start living like the rest of the world. And I say no thank you to that.
    Problem being is that we bring in more than we send out. That is never a good thing.

    U.S. INTERNATIONAL TRADE IN GOODS AND SERVICES
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    The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, through the Department of Commerce, announced today that total October exports of $158.7 billion
    and imports of $197.4 billion resulted in a goods and services deficit of $38.7 billion, down from $44.6 billion in September, revised. October exports were $4.9 billion more than September exports of $153.8 billion. October imports were $0.9 billion less than September imports of $198.4 billion.
    In any case that is neither here, nor there. You could have 1-2 (not actual numbers..it is an example) companies doing the main exporting and still not have many people across the country hired. Especially when those factories could just be mainly automated.
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    What resources and/or financing did Steve Jobs or Bill Gates have before they started a business?

    I guess it is just easier to sit back and bitch about others not doing something than putting forth the effort to do it yourself.


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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The term "redistributed" is a loaded one. To me, redistribution means government taking from those who make income and giving it to others. I do not define redistribution as say someone working for 10 dollars an hour pursuant to their employment contract and through their labor making their employer say 12 dollars an hour (ie a two dollar net gain).

    what we have done is redistribute billions of dollars through social welfare programs and yet all it does is increase dependency and has not alleviated "poverty" (though our poor today are far more materialistically better off than even our middle class was a few decades ago)
    There is a degree of truth, surprisingly, in the Turtle's word.
    I feel that the worst thing we can do with the poor is to give them anything of material substance.
    Rather, we should tolerate and respect them, as we respect all others...
    And equal opportunity is very important.
    In far too many cases I have seen neither.
    In this area we have a long ways to go.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Problem being is that we bring in more than we send out. That is never a good thing.

    U.S. INTERNATIONAL TRADE IN GOODS AND SERVICES
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    In any case that is neither here, nor there. You could have 1-2 (not actual numbers..it is an example) companies doing the main exporting and still not have many people across the country hired. Especially when those factories could just be mainly automated.
    I don't believe you understand much on the evolution of markets. People are considered parts of markets, in that they are a resource that has value. But the importance of that value is what are the people willing to give. To make themselves worth more. That is why we do not have as many factories as we use to. If we did. We would have many more people working for a job that would most likely give out 728 dollars every two weeks. Why? Because people would not have sophisticated jobs. Sophistication brings in higher paying jobs.

    Something the government is trying to do.

    You can see their efforts in promoting college's and education. There is a reason for that. But the problem is the people are not trying to reach that sophistication. And it shows. WE can't be the world's richest nation if we have a work force that is as smart as the China's. We need to be smarter. What is manufactured in the US is much more important than the millions of pins China produces. So yeah. Do you understand why we cannot have a nation that has too many factories?

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Actually, you are wrong again. I give my college and the university where I did my graduate and law degrees substantial funds. Indeed my family endows four full scholarships for needy students to attend Yale. So I guess your leftwing drivel is just that.

    And your can piss and moan about the rich all you want. Yale and other equivalent universities have large endowments and when I attended that college, admissions were blind meaning if someone got in, Yale made sure they could attend. Your idiotic rants are beyond worthless given that rich people are the reason why places like that have so many kids who couldn't afford to attend without help.

    And its not "rich people" who cause smart black kids who make top grades to be called "uncle toms" by their peers. Its not rich people who cause single parent families or so many women to have children before they graduate high school which pretty much dooms those children to poverty
    I have no problem reading your words. I just hope I never step in them.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I have no problem reading your words. I just hope I never step in them.
    that might be the throwaway post of the week



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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by MissLToe View Post
    They can. Why do you think they can't?



    Yes, as I said they either are hard workers or they were fortunate enough to be born into a rich family. That's life.



    If you work hard, handle your money well, discipline yourself - you'll most likely do well in life. I fail to see how you think hard workers can't make it in this country.

    Some questions for you and whoever wants to answer...

    ~ Do you believe there should be a cap to how much money one person should make?

    ~ Should 100% of the wealth of a person who has died be given to the government regardless of how much it is? I mean, their family didn't earn that, the person who died did, right?

    ~ Is it possible for a person living in poverty as a child to be rich later in life in this country? If so, how? If not, why not?
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    I would like to see redistribution of opportunity....family connections can get anyone into Yale or Harvard, actual merit is secondary.
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I would like to see redistribution of opportunity....family connections can get anyone into Yale or Harvard, actual merit is secondary.
    That is beyond moronic. I have known dozens of kids whose fathers went to Yale or Harvard who were turned down. "Legacies" had a higher GPA graduating Yale than non legacies. Why? Smart people tend to have smart children. How would you "redistribute" opportunity?

    I follow professional tennis. It is amazing how many top tennis players have parents who were star athletes. Kim Cljister's father was a famous soccer star, her mom an olympic gymnast. One of the Russian stars is the daughter of a world famous cycling coach and a woman who won six world championships. Her brother was a silver medalist in the Olympics in 1996. Julius Erving's daughter made it to the semis of wimbledon. so how are you going to redistribute the genetic advantage those people have?

    Your post oozes populist bitterness towards those who have done better than you have



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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Rich people do give lots of money out to others that need it for education. But it won't ever been enough to close the gap. Everyone that is rich could give away all of their money to give people a higher education and it still wouldn't be enough. That has nothing to do with greed. It has to do with the sheer amount of people involved.

    Which brings up another problem. In the US most of the jobs that actually pay enough to keep a person from living on welfare require higher education. This can be proven by simply driving down the right road. I've seen billboards that have matter of factly stated that you need an education beyond highschool.

    So, perhaps the answer (beyond bringing factories into the US) could lie in making higher education more readily available to the general public. Maybe even making it somewhat based off of regular schooling. I mean is there really a valid reason as to why a collage costs money to attend while a high school doesn't (I'm talking about to the kid that attends..not the parents)?
    That statement is wrong.
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