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    34 45.95%
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    33 44.59%
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yeah and if those guys were alive today-most of the dem leaders and the RINOS would have been shot for treason or banished to another nation. Those people did not want non landowners voting-they feared the mob as much as the British Crown and what was the statement one made

    The country is doomed when the masses realize they can vote themselves the contents of the public treasury?

    can you prove that Unions are responsible for this alleged jump in productivity versus new technology and computer driven manufacturing methods?
    And not one word of that rant has anything to do with the issue of American jobs and the decline of the middle class.
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The whole point of government services is that they are paid for by the public, not by the user. Spending money on education, health care, and crimefighting are not just expenses...they are investments in society to alleviate the social ills associated with poverty.



    1. Better education policies - Introduce school choice, have at least a few pilot programs for vouchers, longer school years/days, and demand teacher accountability. In exchange, better pay for teachers and public recognition of those teachers who do well.

    2. Criminal justice reform - End the odious war on drugs, stop locking people up for ridiculously long amounts of time for nonviolent offenses, end mandatory minimum sentencing, and make prisons a place where people can learn some skills or finish high school instead of learning new ways to commit crimes while worrying about daily rapes.

    3. Health care reform - Health care expenses are responsible for over 50% of all bankruptcies and many people cannot afford insurance on their own. Additionally, health insurance traps many people at their place of employment, because they can't pursue a new career without losing their health benefits. The new health care laws will help provide assistance for people and give access to health care to the most vulnerable members of society.

    4. Financial literacy - Government should take an active role in establishing financial literacy centers in poor communities. Many poor people are very intelligent, but no one has ever taught them the basic skills as to how they can manage their money. The government can help lift them out of poverty by teaching them these skills...instead of encouraging them to waste their money on state lotteries.

    5. Better policing - Many poor communities are plagued by crime. The most effective, proven way to prevent this is through more boots on the ground, not through ridiculous sentencing techniques or violations of civil liberties.

    6. Financial reform - While establishing financial literacy centers would definitely help poor communities, the government should also prevent businesses from preying on people who don't know any better. The biggest offenders are pay day lenders, credit cards, and banks. Some of the things passed by the 111th Congress have cracked down on some of the most gratuitous abuses, but frankly the new laws still aren't sufficient.

    1) agree-spending on public education is a "socialist" program I support. However, the federal government's involvement in this is wasteful and unnecessary and I have a jaundiced view of teacher's union having once represented a public school system

    2) agree absolutely-the war on drugs not only rapes our country's freedom, it makes people into professional criminals for bogus reasons and turns t hem into either parasites or wards of the state when they get arrested again

    3) disagree though I concede that there are no easy answers in this matter. I do state that prevention is far cheaper than dealing with long term problems

    4) sounds like a good idea-haven't seen that expressed here before. maybe hs ought to teach that instead of some of the stuff that is less useful

    5) absolutely agreed-and stop wasting time busting drug use or prostitution or guys playing cards in the back room of the elk's club

    6) some businesses are corrupt-there are laws to deal with that now.



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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And not one word of that rant has anything to do with the issue of American jobs and the decline of the middle class.
    I already stated what is causing that-you were too busy thinking of your next attack to actually read what I wrote about global economic reality and the opiate of the masses sapping desire and ambition



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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That's primarily because they DO something to make money, rather than sitting on their asses waiting to be fed.
    oh bull****.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That's primarily because they DO something to make money, rather than sitting on their asses waiting to be fed.
    Many do very little to earn their wealth. It's more about getting desperate people to work harder for you for less pay, and other tricks when you're at the top. For example, outsourcing of jobs. Getting people in other countries to work as nearly slave labor takes very little effort or thought and dramatically increases profits. Same goes for cutting pay and benefits in a time when people are struggling, while demanding they take on even more responsibility (negatively affecting their health in the process). If done at the right time, your employees aren't likely to abandon you or are easily replaced because of desperation for jobs. Many of the ultra wealthy are leaches who contribute nothing positive to society. They even manage to not pay their fair share of taxes through loopholes and cushy deals with politician buddies. Sure, there's some who make fortunes through legitimate means as hard working, intelligent, principled individuals but it's becoming more and more difficult for those people to stand out.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem ignorant-again-of global economic reality and the fact is-those who aren't educated in the modern information systems etc aren't going to make good wages like they could 40 years ago by working on a factory line in Detroit.

    the rich have always gotten richer. But lots of those in the middle class aren't keeping up with what it takes to remain in the middle class when a Guy in India can do the same job for 6 an hour that someone in an American Union demands 35 an hour to do

    what is your solution?
    And the way it is set up, only the rich can afford this higher education you speak of. I agree that education = mo' money. Don't suppose you support making equal education affordable for the poor do you Turtle? Didn't think so. My guess is that you disapprove of the people getting taxpayer grants and scholorships. But I could be wrong.

    I get a kick out of the wingnuts when they start their footstompng claims, "The socialist lazy asses want wealth distribution! Oh noes!" When the undeniable facts are that the top 1% (whom the GOP and rightwingers are famous for defending and cowtowing to) has a net worth and financial wealth that has only risen year after year and decade after decade as the moderate and low income population falls. THERE is your wealth distribution. From the hard working stiffs to the irvory hall suits. Yet, somehow, to some of our esteemed wingnuts, this form of wealth distribution is fine and dandy. As long as it comes out of the moderate and poor pockets and ends up in the rich. But any attempt to level the playing field, is a socialist commie plot.

    And somehow, the rightwing apologists can't seem to get that into their FAUXNews mush head brains of theirs.

    Whatever....

    If you really wanna see how our current system favors the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, take a looksy at some numbers of who really rules America. Leave your propaganda bull**** at the door.

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Ouch-that's gonna leave a mark

    When people whine about the rich getting richer it is one of the stupidest things being said. If you are "rich" it generally means you are making more than you spend. So each year that your are rich, you accumulate a bit more. Now if the rich were not getting richer that would mean the following

    1) no one could earn more than they spent
    2) taxes were taking everything left over
    3) the economy of this country had completely collapsed

    I guess that is what Haymarket and his ilk want-either a 100% taxation at a certain level or the economy to completely collapse
    I do not really believe any of this "the rich are getting richer....."
    I'll just have to see this for myself, to be the fly on the wall.
    I do know that there is only money difference between poor low-life and rich low-life.
    One distinguishing attribute of low-life is their abasing/insulting manner, a case is made for 100% taxation, but this solves little.
    To me, wealth is a lot more more than money, its human decency, appreciation of the finer things, humility, sharing.
    Are the rich doing their share in alleviating human poverty?

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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not really believe any of this "the rich are getting richer....."
    I'll just have to see this for myself, to be the fly on the wall.
    I do know that there is only money difference between poor low-life and rich low-life.
    One distinguishing attribute of low-life is their abasing/insulting manner, a case is made for 100% taxation, but this solves little.
    To me, wealth is a lot more more than money, its human decency, appreciation of the finer things, humility, sharing.
    Are the rich doing their share in alleviating human poverty?

    hmm....well, the middle class is eroding, that's certain.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not really believe any of this "the rich are getting richer....."
    I'll just have to see this for myself, to be the fly on the wall.
    I do know that there is only money difference between poor low-life and rich low-life.
    One distinguishing attribute of low-life is their abasing/insulting manner, a case is made for 100% taxation, but this solves little.
    To me, wealth is a lot more more than money, its human decency, appreciation of the finer things, humility, sharing.
    Are the rich doing their share in alleviating human poverty?
    Kudos to your sense of value and worth. You are a person after my own heart.

    But try explaining that to the bank when the mortgage is overdue.

    wealth = assets - liabilities.

    All numbers, charts, polls, are derived on monetary gain and not moral fortitude. All data indicates that the only wealth distribution going on in America right now is the distribution of assets from the bottom 80% to the upper 20%. And, if I'm understanding the numbers right, the liabilities are shifting heavily from the top 5-20% to the lower 80%.

    The whiners preaching "Libbos want wealth distribution" should be crying, "The libbos want a different type of wealth distribution" instead.
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    Re: Redistribution of Wealth

    I think the wealth has been redistributed downwards and upwards, away from the middle.
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