View Poll Results: Do we generally have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

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  • We have a right to push our morality on others but not our beliefs.

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  • We have a right to push our beliefs on others but not our morality.

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  • We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others.

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  • We have no right to push either our beliefs or our morality on others.

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    Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

    Simple enough question...though the answer may not be as simple....I'm not including an "other" option however because I want people to really think about this and answer accordingly.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    No. For some reason, there are folks who seem to need validation and want us all to think and feel alike. All I can say is, "There are many kinds of voices in the world; none of them are without significance."

    Now I know some will probably say, "Thou shalt not kill," is morality which needs to be pushed on others. I would ask, is it morality, or a pillar of civil society? The same holds true for stealing and a myriad of other "morals."

    On the flip side, some may consider homosexuals immoral. In my view, they are not. Studies show a majority of spouses cheat. Is it our job to police infidelity?

    I am not addressing the morality and beliefs we teach our kids children. A parent's job is to teach that sort of morality (like the consequences of lying).
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Depends how you define pushing, simply espousing your beliefs is fine, coercing people to unreasonable beliefs is wrong, coercing people to reasonable beliefs is hazy, as it depends on many factors.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Simple enough question...though the answer may not be as simple....I'm not including an "other" option however because I want people to really think about this and answer accordingly.
    Your right, the answer is hard. We push morality all the time in laws like do not murder or steal.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Your right, the answer is hard. We push morality all the time in laws like do not murder or steal.
    Thats why I said I wanted people to think about it and then answer. The answer is obviously not black and white, however laws often do not see the grey area's of life so it often is reduced to just black and white.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    I think you're hinting this question in the context of American Imperialism, not just in general.

    If the majority of the people of a nation want the US to assist, and there's a genuine humanitarian need, and you don't just install a US puppet after you leave (actually allow free elections and accept whatever result the people decide) then sure, go help out. Also, you don't need to start a decade+ long war. Take out the people who matter and get the public on your side.

    International law allows for intervention on the grounds of imminent humanitarian aid.

    As for in general... it depends.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others.
    Shared values and beliefs are the basis of civilized society. It is the duty of those in charge of upholding our beliefs to impose them upon others.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Simple enough question...though the answer may not be as simple....I'm not including an "other" option however because I want people to really think about this and answer accordingly.
    What do you define as morality? No stealing, no murder, no bearing false witness in court, and etc?
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Your right, the answer is hard. We push morality all the time in laws like do not murder or steal.
    there are sound reasons to oppose say murder or stealing and wanting society to punish that behaviour while other things should not be illegal even if some consider them immoral

    society falls apart if murder is not punished because vendetta and vigilante responses will happen and if so, society crumbles. Society does not crumble if someone sleeps with a consenting adult of his or her same gender. society does not fall apart if someone smokes a joint in his own living room or plays with himself in his bathroom.

    One can justify a ban on robbery without any appeal to morality other than saying lawless anarchy is bad. One cannot ban gay marriage, or some other things without an appeal to morality. The former results in sound laws, the latter do not



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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Shared values and beliefs are the basis of civilized society. It is the duty of those in charge of upholding our beliefs to impose them upon others.
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    we will train our blue eyed men to be young believers"

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