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Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

Do we generally have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

  • We have a right to push our beliefs on others but not our morality.

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Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Sure you can push your morality on others. In some cases, you should. Moral relativism is used to excuse far too many crimes, such as female genital mutilation. Some people are just wrong.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Sure you can push your morality on others. In some cases, you should. Moral relativism is used to excuse far too many crimes, such as female genital mutilation. Some people are just wrong.

and in other cases appeals to moral relativism simply mean "I can no longer justify my position".
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Define "push." Do you mean forcing others to hold our morals and beliefs? Or to enact laws reflecting our morals and beliefs?
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Define "push." Do you mean forcing others to hold our morals and beliefs? Or to enact laws reflecting our morals and beliefs?

In certain instances "reflecting" is "pushing".

DOMA is a good example of this.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

In certain instances "reflecting" is "pushing".

DOMA is a good example of this.

I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.

You support having religious laws?
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.

How is that at all fair?

Surely you should have those morals and beliefs in your own life, and let the law treat everyone else equally?

DOMA is a religiously rooted law. Its not fair. The government should not view people through a religious doctrine, and deny them equal rights.

If the definition of marriage is the problem, fine, whatever, have the stupid word for all I care.

But if that's the only issue, then how come no one has come up with, nor supports a federal law allowing civil unions. Wouldn't be hard, but I doubt republicans would support it anyway.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Of course we have that right and we do it everyday.

Murder is illegal; theft is illegal; perjury is illegal; honor killings are illegal; kidnapping is illegal; vigilantism is illegal; arson is illegal.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Morality = A doctrine or system of moral conduct

Belief = something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group

Push = to urge or press the advancement, adoption, or practice of <pushed a bill in the legislature>; especially : to make aggressive efforts to sell <we're pushing ham this week>

All definations gotten from Mirriam-Webster Dictionary online.

And to narrow it down 1 more notch: I was refering to individuals, not the whole of society. But that doesn't discount that an individual can't push for legislation based on his/her morals/beliefs.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

All proper law reflects only the rights and liberties of the individual and is independent of morality or belief. Tyrants and despots are the only people willing to impress their personal values over People at the expense of the rights and liberties of the individual.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

All proper law reflects only the rights and liberties of the individual and is independent of morality or belief. Tyrants and despots are the only people willing to impress their personal values over People at the expense of the rights and liberties of the individual.

You are aware that those rights and liberties are derived from moral beliefs, right?
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

You are aware that those rights and liberties are derived from moral beliefs, right?

Or on the examination and philosophy of considering the individual in the "free state". Rights do not necessarily reflect morality.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Both. The majority and the minority do this, thus allowing for the sense of satisicing for the body politic.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Or on the examination and philosophy of considering the individual in the "free state". Rights do not necessarily reflect morality.

There I picked out some more moral beliefs.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

There I picked out some more moral beliefs.

No, you didn't. Philosophy isn't necessarily a moral belief nor is observation.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

No, you didn't. Philosophy isn't necessarily a moral belief nor is observation.

But preference is.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Or on the examination and philosophy of considering the individual in the "free state". Rights do not necessarily reflect morality.

What do you mean by "free state?" No government?

Your statement is a little confusing
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

What do you mean by "free state?" No government?

Your statement is a little confusing

That is part of my point. His words are loaded with moral meaning. The word free can mean a lot of things to a lot of people and generally what people prefer is what they are going to label as free.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

What do you mean by "free state?" No government?

Your statement is a little confusing

Free state means free of external forces
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

That is part of my point. His words are loaded with moral meaning. The word free can mean a lot of things to a lot of people and generally what people prefer is what they are going to label as free.

Well you, as Shewolf did, could ask for clarification instead of making assumptions and trying to turn what I said into something I haven't. Simple as that. A little intellectual honesty will get you far.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

But preference is.

I made no preference, only observation and thought.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Well you, as Shewolf did, could ask for clarification instead of making assumptions and trying to turn what I said into something I haven't. Simple as that. A little intellectual honesty will get you far.

If you think I am trying to change definitions, then you are again missing my point. The fact is people have a certain definition of the word free which is based on preference. People do not label something as a freedom if they do not value it. That assigned value comes from a moral basis.

I made no preference, only observation and thought.

Then you have a preference for a society other then a libertarian one?
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Then you have a preference for a society other then a libertarian one?

Any one in which I can be free would be fine. But now you're making jumps again. A preference does not necessarily have to imply any form of morality. The preference can be based on data, plain and simple. Rights can exist outside morality, and a personal preference to recognize the rights and liberties of the individual is not necessarily a moral preference. But preference is not the subject, morality and belief are.
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Free state means free of external forces

I am still confused... do you mean coercive forces? can you give an example?

Every human event and decision is causally caused by previous events or external forces, depending on your definition of "external forces," therefore I reject (on terms of my own definition) the idea of a "free state" where humans are free of "external forces."
 
Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

Any one in which I can be free would be fine. But now you're making jumps again. A preference does not necessarily have to imply any form of morality. The preference can be based on data, plain and simple. Rights can exist outside morality, and a personal preference to recognize the rights and liberties of the individual is not necessarily a moral preference.

Well, I guess we will have to disagree on this one. Otherwise, it looks like we are going to both rehash the same logic, since my response to this statement would basically be the same thing that I posted a few posts ago and your post looks like stuff you already posted too.
 
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