View Poll Results: Do we generally have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

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  • We have a right to push our morality on others but not our beliefs.

    3 12.50%
  • We have a right to push our beliefs on others but not our morality.

    0 0%
  • We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others.

    6 25.00%
  • We have no right to push either our beliefs or our morality on others.

    15 62.50%
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.
    You support having religious laws?
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.
    How is that at all fair?

    Surely you should have those morals and beliefs in your own life, and let the law treat everyone else equally?

    DOMA is a religiously rooted law. Its not fair. The government should not view people through a religious doctrine, and deny them equal rights.

    If the definition of marriage is the problem, fine, whatever, have the stupid word for all I care.

    But if that's the only issue, then how come no one has come up with, nor supports a federal law allowing civil unions. Wouldn't be hard, but I doubt republicans would support it anyway.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Of course we have that right and we do it everyday.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Morality = A doctrine or system of moral conduct

    Belief = something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group

    Push = to urge or press the advancement, adoption, or practice of <pushed a bill in the legislature>; especially : to make aggressive efforts to sell <we're pushing ham this week>

    All definations gotten from Mirriam-Webster Dictionary online.

    And to narrow it down 1 more notch: I was refering to individuals, not the whole of society. But that doesn't discount that an individual can't push for legislation based on his/her morals/beliefs.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    All proper law reflects only the rights and liberties of the individual and is independent of morality or belief. Tyrants and despots are the only people willing to impress their personal values over People at the expense of the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All proper law reflects only the rights and liberties of the individual and is independent of morality or belief. Tyrants and despots are the only people willing to impress their personal values over People at the expense of the rights and liberties of the individual.
    You are aware that those rights and liberties are derived from moral beliefs, right?

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You are aware that those rights and liberties are derived from moral beliefs, right?
    Or on the examination and philosophy of considering the individual in the "free state". Rights do not necessarily reflect morality.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Both. The majority and the minority do this, thus allowing for the sense of satisicing for the body politic.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or on the examination and philosophy of considering the individual in the "free state". Rights do not necessarily reflect morality.
    There I picked out some more moral beliefs.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There I picked out some more moral beliefs.
    No, you didn't. Philosophy isn't necessarily a moral belief nor is observation.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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