View Poll Results: Do we generally have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

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  • We have a right to push our morality on others but not our beliefs.

    3 12.50%
  • We have a right to push our beliefs on others but not our morality.

    0 0%
  • We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others.

    6 25.00%
  • We have no right to push either our beliefs or our morality on others.

    15 62.50%
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Simple enough question...though the answer may not be as simple....I'm not including an "other" option however because I want people to really think about this and answer accordingly.
    As of right now, 63% of voters think we have no right to push either our morality or our beliefs on others. Are you people nutz?

    I have the right to insist that you cannot murder another human being. I have the right to insist that you can't steal my car. It's immoral to murder; it's immoral to steal. The list is long. What are you thinking???

    Option #1 is the only answer.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    A lot of the problem here is how do we define morality and beliefs. There will be enormous variance in how one views those two terms.

    Some will say that making murder or robbery against the law is only common sense, not morality, because without those two bans society would crumble.

    Not necessarily. Murder is simply intentional killing without legal sanction. It could be defined in detail in any number of ways. There was a time when killing someone of certain races was overlooked. There was a time when killing another man in a duel or in mutually-agreed combat was overlooked. In modern times we've decided to apply the laws against murder to all, but it isn't that way in some nations (like Iran for instance... look at what happens to women who kill attempted rapists there).

    What do you call it when the government takes your land by eminent domain, and if you don't leave they send armed cops to run you off it? Well, some have called that armed robbery under color of law...

    You can pretend all these things are value judgements, or judgements about what is best for society, but what are such judgements? They are moral judgements, because they are decisions about what is right and wrong.

    Where do your morals come from? From your beliefs.

    In essence every law is imposing someone's morals and beliefs on others.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others. It doesnt mean that its the RIGHT thing to do though.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    What is politics, if not the process of codifying morality into law?
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Depends how you define pushing, simply espousing your beliefs is fine, coercing people to unreasonable beliefs is wrong, coercing people to reasonable beliefs is hazy, as it depends on many factors.
    Espousing your beliefs is where one should draw the line. However one of the requirements of society is law and the basis of law is morality. That part is unavoidable.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 12-24-10 at 01:32 PM.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Sure you can push your morality on others. In some cases, you should. Moral relativism is used to excuse far too many crimes, such as female genital mutilation. Some people are just wrong.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelzie View Post
    Sure you can push your morality on others. In some cases, you should. Moral relativism is used to excuse far too many crimes, such as female genital mutilation. Some people are just wrong.
    and in other cases appeals to moral relativism simply mean "I can no longer justify my position".
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Define "push." Do you mean forcing others to hold our morals and beliefs? Or to enact laws reflecting our morals and beliefs?
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Define "push." Do you mean forcing others to hold our morals and beliefs? Or to enact laws reflecting our morals and beliefs?
    In certain instances "reflecting" is "pushing".

    DOMA is a good example of this.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    In certain instances "reflecting" is "pushing".

    DOMA is a good example of this.
    I support DOMA, so I guess I should vote the 3rd option. I believe in having my morals and beliefs reflected in laws.
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