View Poll Results: Do we generally have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on others?

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  • We have a right to push our morality on others but not our beliefs.

    3 12.50%
  • We have a right to push our beliefs on others but not our morality.

    0 0%
  • We have a right to push both our beliefs and morality on others.

    6 25.00%
  • We have no right to push either our beliefs or our morality on others.

    15 62.50%
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    If we don't, then we might as well shut down this website

    "Net Neutrality" may do that any way...though.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    We have no right to push our beliefs, but since morality is something which gets codified into laws and laws are the basis of organized society, so long as you're talking about it in that sense, we do have a right to push morality on others.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Your right, the answer is hard. We push morality all the time in laws like do not murder or steal.
    No, this needn't be pushing morality. When I advocate for these things as a matter of law, it is because I want to live in a society with a certain level of order. If a specific number of people agree with me, we will have a more orderly society, otherwise we won't. When considered this way, it is not a matter of morality, but rather a matter of permitting the majority to determine how orderly of a society we shall have, simply because it is our desire to have it so.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Murder and stealing have absolutely nothing to do with morality. They have to do with the interests of a community. It was not in the interests of the small Hebrew community for its members to kill each other. It was perfectly fine for them to kill and steal from others. Rape and destruction of others was allowed and even common throughout the Old Testament. Even in the New Testament some of these ideas remain. The community vs. the others I mean.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Murder and stealing have absolutely nothing to do with morality. They have to do with the interests of a community. It was not in the interests of the small Hebrew community for its members to kill each other. It was perfectly fine for them to kill and steal from others. Rape and destruction of others was allowed and even common throughout the Old Testament. Even in the New Testament some of these ideas remain. The community vs. the others I mean.
    It is quite interesting to also note that those who most readily subscribe to the notion that our rights are god given want to deny them to non-citizens. God what? Gave rights to some and not others? Interesting...
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is quite interesting to also note that those who most readily subscribe to the notion that our rights are god given want to deny them to non-citizens. God what? Gave rights to some and not others? Interesting...
    God given rights to Protestants don't apply to dirty Catholic Mexicans.
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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    "we will teach our twisted speech to the young believers
    we will train our blue eyed men to be young believers"

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    God given rights to Protestants don't apply to dirty Catholic Mexicans.
    Not even in Mexico it seems.

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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Turtledude quoting one of the most vehement leftist rockers in all of music.

    A day I thought I'd never see...
    Not quite as leftist as some would believe. He was opposed to government oppression-left or right. The Song Washington Bullets ripped the Soviets (if you can find an Afghan rebel that the Russian bullets missed, ask him what he thinks of voting communist) and the Chinese (ask the Dalai Lama in the Hills of Tibet, how many monks did the Chinese get)



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    Re: Do we generall have a right to push our morality and/or our belief system on othe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Not even in Mexico it seems.
    I guess the cartels are bible thumping evangelists



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