View Poll Results: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

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  • Public education.

    8 26.67%
  • Street lighting.

    8 26.67%
  • Clean air.

    8 26.67%
  • Food stamps.

    26 86.67%
  • Social Security.

    14 46.67%
  • Medicare.

    15 50.00%
  • Medicaid.

    19 63.33%
  • Welfare.

    24 80.00%
  • FEMA assistance.

    26 86.67%
  • College grants.

    16 53.33%
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Thread: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Nobody has asked the most important question. We're all arguing over exactly how to define socialism. I think we all know what the asker means generally speaking (even if we can't agree specifically).

    What I want to know is, what is benefit? So to clarify, If I give you $100 and you give me back $50 and then ask me, "did I benefit from receiving $50?", is the answer yes or no? Or, perhaps more reasonably asked: If I give you $100 and you give me back $100, but then tell me that though you gave me $100 in benefits, I now owe you more money over the next X number of years because you overspent the money I gave you on other people and ventures... did I benefit? And most importantly, I would want to know the answer to this: If you don't give me a choice but to give you $100 so that you can give me back $100 in benefits and then force me to give you additional money in the future because you overspent the original $100 I gave you... have I benefited?

    I would say the answers to these are obviously NO. Which is why I think most entitlement programs are a JOKE and completely unconstitutional. Sure, I collect from them. But did I really benefit?
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Why is it that so many forget the most obvious option??
    "none of the above".
    This should also be on our election ballets.
    There is a fear that "none ......." will win an election.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Why is clean air considered socialist?
    If you knew about the fuss the GM and Ford put up about clean air, back in the 50s......If the conservatives of that day were allowed to reign supreme, our nation would be worse than a sewer pit..
    And now we have the same/similar problem with the conservatives again (global warming).
    Legislation which benefits the people is socialistic.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Insurance is also socialist then. Boy with a mind like yours, I can see where socialism is the best thing every invented.
    Not so..
    Insurance is the unpleasant thing that happens when our government and the people are not social enough...
    Do the Amish have insurance ?
    Man is innately socialistic ...He must be in order to survive.
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm only going with immediate family here, since I honestly don't know for most of my extended family. That being said, neither I nor my family have ever benefited from food stamps, welfare, or FEMA assistance.The benefits are indirect, if the potential starving have not stamps, then they will steal your food....

    I also fail to see how some of these things are socialist programs. What exactly is socialist about street lighting and clean air?
    Programs that benefit society in general are socialistic.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's also constitutional, which is the real point of all this arguing between right and left. The left wants EVERYTHING to be socialist. The right just wants us to run things according to the document we signed up to.
    Totally untrue. I may be a "leftie", but I want things to be balanced.
    And when did anyone of this age sign up to a scrap of paper written/designed hundreds of years ago?????

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Government never produces, it only destroys, steals and kills.
    Fear and ignorance do these things, not government.
    If man were a perfect creature, we might not need government.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Totally untrue. I may be a "leftie", but I want things to be balanced.
    And when did anyone of this age sign up to a scrap of paper written/designed hundreds of years ago?????
    You contradict yourself... do you suggest not following the constitution and having things balanced? Don't you know what the constitution is or does? And it was written and designed hundreds of years ago, with the ability to edit it throughout history as necessary. Which means it is as up to date as we, America, want it to be. If the majority disagrees with something in the constitution, then change it! Don't use that poor argument of it being 'old' to justify your progressive agenda. This has been happening a lot. Progressives pass an unconstitutional law and find some twisted interpretation of the constitution to justify it. Why? Because the correct avenue of making these laws constitutional would be to amend the constitution. And to do so would be to boldly claim exactly what it is you are doing: restricting the freedoms of the individuals and states. If you boldly state what it is you are taking away from people, it would never pass. And so you have to back door the law in order to get it to pass. Your lying to yourselves as much as lying to the people. Just admit what you are and try to change the constitution. If you are right and that is the new thought of this age, then it should be no problem.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Yeah, it kills Nazi's, Commies, terrorists...

    But it also creates a hell of a lot, most of which you obviously didn't think about when you posted.
    not in net, it doesn't. if i destroy two buildings of and use the materials to build a third (no bigger than either of the ones i destroyed), do i get credit for "creating buildings"?

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troubadour View Post
    Of the following, which Socialist programs do not and never have benefited you or anyone in your family? I'm assuming Libertarians will say they and their families have never, ever benefited from any of these...right?
    Currently - only some have touched me directly.

    But the future holds an untold amount of struggle and strife. I've been in a lot of situations where I was fortunate to be able to go to the government for aid - lest I be homeless *with* kids.
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