View Poll Results: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

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  • Public education.

    8 26.67%
  • Street lighting.

    8 26.67%
  • Clean air.

    8 26.67%
  • Food stamps.

    26 86.67%
  • Social Security.

    14 46.67%
  • Medicare.

    15 50.00%
  • Medicaid.

    19 63.33%
  • Welfare.

    24 80.00%
  • FEMA assistance.

    26 86.67%
  • College grants.

    16 53.33%
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then your definition is also wrong. Being merely government-run and funded doesn't make it socialist.
    Then what does?
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then what does?
    Conservatives and/or Libertarians have to personally dislike what the program is about too.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Then what does?
    Public control of the means of production.
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Public control of the means of production.
    So the government doesn't produce what the army provides?
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So the government doesn't produce what the army provides?
    Government never produces, it only destroys, steals and kills.
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

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    So the government doesn't produce what the army provides?
    Nope. At least not much of it. They buy it.
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    I only voted yes for the top three, but they're not socialist, my taxes pay for them. I'm not being given them for free by a benevolent government, I'm paying for them.
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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Socialism is just a buzzword, its almost completely meaningless since almost no one can agree on exactly what it means. And the only reason any word has a meaning is because everyone agrees on what that meaning is.

    Most people think of socialism as a line in the sand, where a government or society can be on one side or the other of that line. And being on one said means instant death and the other is unlimited success, which is ridiculous for multiple reasons like how different cultures react differently to different types of government. And because those people generally can't define that line except in vague terms, which is what socialism is anyway just a vague concept, but they'll continue to act like their vague explanation of "its when the government gets involved in the economy" or something like that is perfectly fine and definitive.

    And other people talk about socialism as if its a list of qualifiers that if X amount are met a system is now instantly socialist. This is just as bad as the line in the sand mentality, except instead of one line which have several lines and by crossing so many we suddenly become socialist.

    Here's a thought instead of arguing about the meaning of a vague term which no one can agree upon the meaning of, why don't we argue against the laws or programs which we don't like. And not argue against or for them because they are "socialist" but based purely on their measurable effects. You can call the damn Post Office socialist because it competes with private business, but you know what? It works and thats what really matters, not some meaningless label you attach to it. Or what about the Bank of North Dakota, its a government owned government run bank that not only requires private banks working in North Dakota to be members but also competes directly with those private banks. But you know what? It works and its been credited as being one of the major reasons North Dakota has barely been hit in this recession.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Why is clean air considered socialist?
    because the government did it. they never really grasped that those who advocate minimal government still advocate some for problems of the commons.


    even milton friedman said that fighting pollution was a government responsibility.



    as for the program list: NET BENEFIT the only ones i see are Public Education, Street Lighting, and Clean Air. my grandparents have "benefited" from Social Security and Medicare, but had they had that money available to save and invest themselves, they would have ended up with much-much more, so i count that as a net loss.

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    Re: Which Socialist programs do not and have never benefited you or your family?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Government never produces, it only destroys, steals and kills.
    Yeah, it kills Nazi's, Commies, terrorists...

    But it also creates a hell of a lot, most of which you obviously didn't think about when you posted.
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