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Do you believe in Frodo?

Do you believe in Frodo?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 5 31.3%
  • NERDS!!!

    Votes: 4 25.0%

  • Total voters
    16

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Many ancient (~70 years) texts held sacred by millions mention this character and his amazing exploits. Some claim he is a fictional character, but perhaps there are possibly others who disagree with them, just as in debates about the Bible. Perhaps Frodo Baggins really lived, and there might be some historical truth to the events depicted in the Lord of The Rings. If someone has faith to that effect, who are you to deny their heartfelt beliefs? Fossilized plant matter found on a mountain in Eastern Europe may, some may say, be the remains of the lambas bread Frodo and Samwise Gamgee were reputed to have taken with them on their trip to Mordor. How can you argue with evidence like that? So, do you believe in Frodo as depicted in the Tolkien Gospels?
 
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I know I do. Let's go conquer Gondor... which I'll interpret as being Iran... in his honor.
 
I know I do. Let's go conquer Gondor... which I'll interpret as being Iran... in his honor.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but Gondor is in Germany.

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Many ancient (~70 years) texts held sacred by millions mention this character and his amazing exploits. Some claim he is a fictional character, but perhaps there are possibly others who disagree with them, just as in debates about the Bible. Perhaps Frodo Baggins really lived, and there might be some historical truth to the events depicted in the Lord of The Rings. If someone has faith to that effect, who are you to deny their heartfelt beliefs? Fossilized plant matter found on a mountain in Eastern Europe may, some may say, be the remains of the lambas bread Frodo and Samwise Gamgee were reputed to have taken with them on their trip to Mordor. How can you argue with evidence like that? So, do you believe in Frodo as depicted in the Tolkien Gospels?

You obviously do not get the TLC channel or animal planet channel.TLC has the smurfs(Little people Big World), the Keebler elves(Little Chocolatiers),Hobbits in love(The Little Couple). Animal planet has that Hobbits and pit bulls show,although I could be wrong that could the lolly-pop guild and pit bulls.
 
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Not bad, though Mordor was positioned in the south, not the east.

Gondor was represented as Greece, in terms of its geography, basic architecture, and overall importance to Middle-Earth's developing civilization. It was highly mountainous, but with forests, built cities of stone, enjoyed significant naval power and explored , spread its culture throughout Middle-Earth (Europe), and defended the continent from eastern forces (aka, the Persian Wars). Ancient Greece on all points. Also, the connection with Atlantis (aka, Numenor) is Greek-ish in character.

Arnor (including the Shire) was the British Isles. Also solidly so. The elves leaving from the Grey Havens for the Undying Lands is a clear echo of Arthur and Avalon.

The lands covered in The Hobbit were Scandinavia and northern Germany. The dwarves, longboats, and portrayal of woodland elves were sort of a giveaway, not to mention its relation to Arnor/Shire.

Rohan is southern Germany, or rather, the largest of a plurality of Celtic nations that would later become Germany.

Mordor was basically Asia Minor, and the distant lands from whom it attracted "Wicked Men" were Africa and more distant parts of Asia.
 
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Tolkien was a Christian. Your said "Tolkien Scriptures" are fiction that mirror Christian truths :prof
 
Tolkien was a Christian. Your said "Tolkien Scriptures" are fiction that mirror Christian truths :prof

LoTR wasn't an allegory, and Tolkein was only a Christian some times. If you want a Christian tale, read Narnia.
 
LoTR wasn't an allegory, and Tolkein was only a Christian some times. If you want a Christian tale, read Narnia.

The Lord of the Rings is a definitively Christian story, and Tolkien was a devout Catholic pretty much his whole life. He did have at least one unorthodox belief though -- he believed the world's religions and mythologies were an echo of the divine truth expressed in Christianity. That was part of how he worked his passion for German/Norse (and to a lesser extent Greek) mythology into his stories. There is an obscure academic term for someone who holds that kind of belief (I am one of them), but it eludes my Google and wiki searches.

Anyway, the Lord of the Rings is Christian in its thematic essence, but weaves Pagan/Ancient/Medieval imagery into the narrative.
A few examples:

Gandalf, though in the guise of a Odinic Wanderer, is a Messianic figure. Frodo develops into one as well, particularly with his meek responses throughout the Scouring of the Shire.

Pity toward frailty and suffering is prevalent.

The "principle of Evil" developed and promoted by Morgoth and his servants (Sauron in particular) resembles the Christian concept of sin, as does its introduction in the cosmos during the creation of the world.

The Flame Imperishable that imbues reality with existence and organisms with life compares with the Word of God.

Free will and the desire for immortal life -- materially and spiritually -- are major themes.

It's worth noting that Tolkien didn't just parrot Christian dogma. He did develop these themes and ideas in original ways, not likely to be encountered in earlier (or subsequent) works.
 
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LoTR wasn't an allegory, and Tolkein was only a Christian some times. If you want a Christian tale, read Narnia.

In the second grade we had The Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe read to us. A question on our test was What figure did the Lion represent? Answer- Jesus.
 
Frodo saved the mother****ing Shire and ****!
 
Sorry to dissapoint you, but Gondor is in Germany.

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It's pretty obvious that the Shire was England, and I agree that the Dwarves (mountain people) would be the Swiss and Czechs, but the rest is pretty dubious. France as Lothlorien? Seriously? I'd be more inclined to have France and Germany as Gondor; and Poland, the Baltic states, and the Ukraine as Rohan. Lothlorien would be Sweden or Norway. Isengard might be in Northern Italy. Fangorn in Greece? More like Hungary, Bulgaria, or Romania. Mordor is Southeast, so more like ancient Tartary / Kazkhstan. Russia would mostly be the frozen, haunted wastes left over from Melkor's rule.
 
Frodo saved the mother****ing Shire and ****!

No. He failed. He gave in to the ring. It was only Gollum who got the job done by accident.
 
Many ancient (~70 years) texts held sacred by millions mention this character and his amazing exploits. Some claim he is a fictional character, but perhaps there are possibly others who disagree with them, just as in debates about the Bible. Perhaps Frodo Baggins really lived, and there might be some historical truth to the events depicted in the Lord of The Rings. If someone has faith to that effect, who are you to deny their heartfelt beliefs? Fossilized plant matter found on a mountain in Eastern Europe may, some may say, be the remains of the lambas bread Frodo and Samwise Gamgee were reputed to have taken with them on their trip to Mordor. How can you argue with evidence like that? So, do you believe in Frodo as depicted in the Tolkien Gospels?

I do NOT believe in Frodo. I DO however believe in trolls. They show up here quite regularly. Disgusting, filthy, little creatures...most of them miserable in their own pathetic lives that they have to find ways to create threads to inspire angst in others. Luckily they are easily spotted and more easily dismissed.
 
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I do NOT believe in Frodo. I DO however believe in trolls. They show up here quite regularly. Disgusting, filthy, little creatures...

And unfortunately sunlight does not always work against them.
 
And unfortunately sunlight does not always work against them.
But the light from the Ban hammer may!
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:mrgreen:

Edit: Or offer them this job?

Screw that, we need top-of-the-line trolls for that. :mrgreen:
 
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