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How long until the US military fails?

How long until the US military fails?


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I'm not overly concerned. I just hope the military is able to implement any necessary changes without undue problems.
 
I'm not overly concerned. I just hope the military is able to implement any necessary changes without undue problems.

Oh well - that's a different issue.

A cypris in the boggy creek.
 
In light of today's passing of the repeal of DADT in the senate, how long until the US military fails?

It already has, the hour the Senate killed DADT, if you listen to Gflex. You know, because of the upcoming gay lawsuits that will ruin the military.
 
Those lawsuits wouldnt be mutli-million dollar events. I've never heard of the Army paying people money for a discrmination lawsuit, normally the goal of the accuser is simply to get the defendent kicked out of the military or serve jail time.

How do you know there won’t be multimillion dollar settlements? Is there something the DADT Repeal legislation that prevents it?
 
How do you know there won’t be multimillion dollar settlements? Is there something the DADT Repeal legislation that prevents it?

An active duty servicemember cannot sue the military/US government, even through proxy, while serving on active duty. All issues, especially concerning harassment and/or discrimination are dealt with through the chain of command.
 
An active duty servicemember cannot sue the military/US government, even through proxy, while serving on active duty. All issues, especially concerning harassment and/or discrimination are dealt with through the chain of command.

I guess he doesn't realize the gays who are suing the military are doing so for reinstatement. And this was because of DADT. So the new legislation actually puts a stop to the necessity of that.
 
I have changed my mind. If gays don’t start asking for special treatment in the military (not holding my breath) and it doesn’t end up costing the military a boatload of money, I have no problem with this bill at this time.
 
It will be no different than any other moment in history - blacks, women . . . gays :shrug:

But it's not like blacks and women were secretly serving or something. . . but still, the same concerns for them were presented at those times, too . . . has that ruined the military?

Hardly.

Doesn't matter anyway, finally - everyone will adjust and get use to it and get over it one way or another.
 
It will be no different than any other moment in history - blacks, women . . . gays :shrug:

But it's not like blacks and women were secretly serving or something. . . but still, the same concerns for them were presented at those times, too . . . has that ruined the military?

Hardly.

Doesn't matter anyway, finally - everyone will adjust and get use to it and get over it one way or another.

Women weren’t as easily accepted as blacks were. I think gays will have an even tougher time than women have had/are having but I trust our military men and women to be professionals about it, I always have.

My only concern is with the legal juggernaut the gay advocates have created. I hope they don’t turn into Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton types.
 
Women weren’t as easily accepted as blacks were. I think gays will have an even tougher time than women have had/are having but I trust our military men and women to be professionals about it, I always have.

My only concern is with the legal juggernaut the gay advocates have created. I hope they don’t turn into Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton types.

The problem wouldn't even exist if people didn't give a **** (about not wanting them to be 'open' about it - they're already 'in')

Maybe we should use this to downsize the military and sluff off those who merely serve to bring problems because they can't stick to the mission adn follow orders?
 
What militaries?

The military of every first world nation except the US and South Korea.

"In 2010, following defeat of repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' by the United States Senate, the Colonel Mark Abraham, head of diversity for the British Army, told People Management magazine the lifting of the ban on gays serving in the military in 2000 had "no notable change at all... We got to the point where the policy was incompatible with military service and there was a lack of logic and evidence to support it... We knew a lot of gay and lesbian people were serving quite successfully, and it was clear that sexual orientation wasn’t an indication of how good a soldier or officer you could be... The reality was that those serving in the army were the same people the day after we lifted the ban, so there was no notable change at all. Everybody carried on with their duties and had the same working relationships as they previously had while the ban was in place" Colonel Abraham argues that the lifting of the ban actually made the armed forces more productive: "A lot of gay and lesbian soldiers who were in the army before the ban was lifted, reported that a percentage of their efforts was spent looking over their shoulder and ensuring they weren’t going to be caught. That percentage of time can now be devoted to work and their home life, so actually they are more effective than they were before.""

How long until the US military fails? Like Rome, it cannot last forever. I'd bargain that by the end of the century the US won't be the dominant nation anymore, or we'll all be dead. As a consequence of DADT? Nope.
 
Inductees who can't (or won't) meet expectations are bounced out of basic training. The IDF philosophy towards sexual orientation is basically... don't tell me because I don't really give a damn.

I served with known gays and lesbians. I didn't much care what they did while on leave. But while on active duty I demanded 110% effort without any problems or grief.

None disappointed me in this regard.
 
The problem wouldn't even exist if people didn't give a **** (about not wanting them to be 'open' about it - they're already 'in')

Maybe we should use this to downsize the military and sluff off those who merely serve to bring problems because they can't stick to the mission adn follow orders?

I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.
 
I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.

Most gays I know aren't like that.

You only notice 'the extreme ones' becaue they ARE extreme about it.

In the military there are strict codes and regulations that MUST be followed - everything from how you wear your uniform to how you mow your law. Personality - while in uniform - is strongly discourage because it goes against the point.

Aside that - open-gays (flamboyant or otherwise) have been in society for decades. I've worked with quite a few and though they were 'different' sometimes - they still did their jobs and did them well.
 
I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.

I sincerely doubt that they would be the type to join the military.
 
It will not. To me the question is how long until women are allowed into co-ed combat units and how long until they have co-ed open bay showers.

I doubt you will ever see that in any of our lifetime's, BUT, it doesn't hurt to dream about it. LOL
 
I doubt you will ever see that in any of our lifetime's, BUT, it doesn't hurt to dream about it. LOL

I would post the link to the Starship Troopers Shower Scene, but it has naked boobs and I am pretty sure that that is a rules violation. So puritanical, this society! They are just boobs!
 
But will they look like Flores or will they look like Vasquez? These things matter.
 
I don’t think it’s a question of “fail”, I think it’s a question of whether this weakens the military.

I think this weakens our military.
Were you ever in the military?
What weakens the military is a lack of public respect , ask those who served during the VietNam War.
 
Women weren’t as easily accepted as blacks were. I think gays will have an even tougher time than women have had/are having but I trust our military men and women to be professionals about it, I always have.

My only concern is with the legal juggernaut the gay advocates have created. I hope they don’t turn into Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton types.

You realize that if people simply don't discriminate, there won't be any discrimination lawsuits. Why blame the victim? Their tactics aside, if there were no racism, there would be no Jackson or Sharpton.
 
^Jackson and Sharpton only like to keep the race card alive. If they didn't they would have no level of importance.
 
Were you ever in the military?
What weakens the military is a lack of public respect , ask those who served during the VietNam War.

I think one thing that weakens the military more is lack of strong and impartial leadership. We need leaders who are actually going to treat their men/women the same and make those under them treat each other with respect. Punish those who aren't doing their job and/or who are causing problems within the unit (ensuring that it is the person who is actually causing the problems getting punished). And not allowing personal biases get in the way of who deserves praise and/or promotions or who deserves punishment or counseling.

Sure, this is just ideal and not all leaders will be able to do this all the time, but it would certainly help make any transition like this repeal go smoothly with very little issues.
 
Must be an Arkansas saying, I have to admit I don't get it. :shrug: :)

:rofl Yeah, sounds stupid doesn't it :)

But I meant that they'll adapt - like the Cyprus tree adapted to swamp conditions.
 
In light of today's passing of the repeal of DADT in the senate, how long until the US military fails?

i'm not sure about the importance of the question; i don't recall anyone claiming mass failure of the US military as a result of this policy change.

what we will see is some degradation in our combat efficiency. :shrug: but outright failure? HAH. when the last United States Marine dies in the sands of Afghanistan with a rifle in their hands - THEN we have failed. until that happens, the matter is still very much in question.
 
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