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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    An active duty servicemember cannot sue the military/US government, even through proxy, while serving on active duty. All issues, especially concerning harassment and/or discrimination are dealt with through the chain of command.
    I guess he doesn't realize the gays who are suing the military are doing so for reinstatement. And this was because of DADT. So the new legislation actually puts a stop to the necessity of that.
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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    I have changed my mind. If gays don’t start asking for special treatment in the military (not holding my breath) and it doesn’t end up costing the military a boatload of money, I have no problem with this bill at this time.

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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    It will be no different than any other moment in history - blacks, women . . . gays

    But it's not like blacks and women were secretly serving or something. . . but still, the same concerns for them were presented at those times, too . . . has that ruined the military?

    Hardly.

    Doesn't matter anyway, finally - everyone will adjust and get use to it and get over it one way or another.
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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It will be no different than any other moment in history - blacks, women . . . gays

    But it's not like blacks and women were secretly serving or something. . . but still, the same concerns for them were presented at those times, too . . . has that ruined the military?

    Hardly.

    Doesn't matter anyway, finally - everyone will adjust and get use to it and get over it one way or another.
    Women weren’t as easily accepted as blacks were. I think gays will have an even tougher time than women have had/are having but I trust our military men and women to be professionals about it, I always have.

    My only concern is with the legal juggernaut the gay advocates have created. I hope they don’t turn into Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton types.

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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Women weren’t as easily accepted as blacks were. I think gays will have an even tougher time than women have had/are having but I trust our military men and women to be professionals about it, I always have.

    My only concern is with the legal juggernaut the gay advocates have created. I hope they don’t turn into Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton types.
    The problem wouldn't even exist if people didn't give a **** (about not wanting them to be 'open' about it - they're already 'in')

    Maybe we should use this to downsize the military and sluff off those who merely serve to bring problems because they can't stick to the mission adn follow orders?
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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    What militaries?
    The military of every first world nation except the US and South Korea.

    "In 2010, following defeat of repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' by the United States Senate, the Colonel Mark Abraham, head of diversity for the British Army, told People Management magazine the lifting of the ban on gays serving in the military in 2000 had "no notable change at all... We got to the point where the policy was incompatible with military service and there was a lack of logic and evidence to support it... We knew a lot of gay and lesbian people were serving quite successfully, and it was clear that sexual orientation wasn’t an indication of how good a soldier or officer you could be... The reality was that those serving in the army were the same people the day after we lifted the ban, so there was no notable change at all. Everybody carried on with their duties and had the same working relationships as they previously had while the ban was in place" Colonel Abraham argues that the lifting of the ban actually made the armed forces more productive: "A lot of gay and lesbian soldiers who were in the army before the ban was lifted, reported that a percentage of their efforts was spent looking over their shoulder and ensuring they weren’t going to be caught. That percentage of time can now be devoted to work and their home life, so actually they are more effective than they were before.""

    How long until the US military fails? Like Rome, it cannot last forever. I'd bargain that by the end of the century the US won't be the dominant nation anymore, or we'll all be dead. As a consequence of DADT? Nope.

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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Inductees who can't (or won't) meet expectations are bounced out of basic training. The IDF philosophy towards sexual orientation is basically... don't tell me because I don't really give a damn.

    I served with known gays and lesbians. I didn't much care what they did while on leave. But while on active duty I demanded 110% effort without any problems or grief.

    None disappointed me in this regard.

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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The problem wouldn't even exist if people didn't give a **** (about not wanting them to be 'open' about it - they're already 'in')

    Maybe we should use this to downsize the military and sluff off those who merely serve to bring problems because they can't stick to the mission adn follow orders?
    I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.

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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.
    Most gays I know aren't like that.

    You only notice 'the extreme ones' becaue they ARE extreme about it.

    In the military there are strict codes and regulations that MUST be followed - everything from how you wear your uniform to how you mow your law. Personality - while in uniform - is strongly discourage because it goes against the point.

    Aside that - open-gays (flamboyant or otherwise) have been in society for decades. I've worked with quite a few and though they were 'different' sometimes - they still did their jobs and did them well.
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    Re: How long until the US military fails?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I don’t have a problem with someone being open about it in the military but a lot of gays have a tendency to be a little more than “open” about it and can be downright disturbing with their flamboyance at times.
    I sincerely doubt that they would be the type to join the military.
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