View Poll Results: Who Was the Greatest Military Leader in History?

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  • Napoleon Bonaparte

    2 6.90%
  • Georgy Zhukov

    1 3.45%
  • Sir Arthur Wellesly (Duke of Wellington)

    1 3.45%
  • Alexander the Great

    13 44.83%
  • Ghenghis Khan

    8 27.59%
  • Alexander Suvorov

    1 3.45%
  • Julius Caesar

    1 3.45%
  • Helmuth von Moltke

    0 0%
  • Oliver Cromwell

    0 0%
  • Charlemagne

    2 6.90%
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Thread: The Greatest General in History

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Shaka-Zulu. started with a small band of loyals. completely changed how sub saharan African warfare was waged. displaced one fourth of sub saharan AFrica. His soldiers-divided into Impas were fearless, loyal to death and so much better than any of their contemporaries.
    yeah, but they got their ass handed to them in "Deadliest Warrior"

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    None of the above.

    My vote goes to Hannibal of Carthage as the greatest general in history.

    Here are the main reasons for my selection:

    • His opponent, Rome, was the foremost military power of era, and was in its stride.

    • He won consecutive battles of annihalation (Lake Trasimene and Cannae); of the others on the list I know of none who commanded one such battle.


    • He won those and several other battles on enemy home territory.

    • He commanded mostly alien troops (only the highest officers and the
      heavy cavalry were Carthaginian).

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Depends on ones outlook; IMO, they are all a bunch of murderous bastards, stealing land that is not theirs....This, of course is one huge debate which wages today in Israel..
    Actually, our American natives had this right, the land belongs to no-one , and everyone.
    Note that Douglas MacArthur is not on the list; and I was not aware that Leon Trotsky was a general.
    My "fantasy favorite" would be the Gladiator(Russel Crowe), aka the Spaniard.
    Loved that movie.
    Just two points -- firstly, I can't include MacArthur on the list, not out of personal enmity for what a raging maniac the guy was (though he was, to be sure), but simply because of his stunning defeat in Korea. Every inch of ground, every merit of success he gained in landing at Inchon and invading North Korea is diminished by the American army's total defeat at the hands of the Red Chinese a few months later.

    Secondly, Trotsky was indeed a general, and he, along with Lenin, was one of the two most influential people in the Russian Revolution.

    Trotsky's brilliance as a general can be exemplified in his victory over pretty much every army on earth at the time -- over the course of the Russian Revolution, Trotsky managed to defeat the armies of: the British Empire, the United States, France, Imperial Russia, Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Sweden, Italy, Japan, Ukraine, Hungary, and what was left of the Ottoman Empire.

    I call that amazing. XD

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by USViking View Post
    None of the above.

    My vote goes to Hannibal of Carthage as the greatest general in history.

    Here are the main reasons for my selection:

    • His opponent, Rome, was the foremost military power of era, and was in its stride.

    • He won consecutive battles of annihalation (Lake Trasimene and Cannae); of the others on the list I know of none who commanded one such battle.


    • He won those and several other battles on enemy home territory.

    • He commanded mostly alien troops (only the highest officers and the
      heavy cavalry were Carthaginian).
    I can't respect Hannibal for his entire campaign.

    Cannae is, of course, held up as one of the most decisive and tactically supreme battles in the history of warfare. But invading Rome with a bunch of elephants from Africa? Taking your army over an impassible mountain range? They were daring tactics, and daring tactics are often held as impressive, but it's better if they work. XD

    Hannibal lost the war.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Also, in response to various posts:


    I'm not sure who was talking about Georgy Zhukov being disgraced later in his life -- he was fully recognised by the Soviet Union till the day he died as their most honoured military leader.

    Furthermore, his gains were not 'retaken' -- Zhukov was the man who essentially won the Second World War, at least on the Eastern Front -- and his final act was taking Berlin. How were his successes reversed?


    On another note, I was indeed referring to Moltke the Elder, one of the most prominent military men of the latter 19th century, and also the man who did what was labelled the impossible at the time -- giving Prussia a victory over France, one of the most spectacular military feats in history.

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

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    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Just two points -- firstly, I can't include MacArthur on the list, not out of personal enmity for what a raging maniac the guy was (though he was, to be sure), but simply because of his stunning defeat in Korea. Every inch of ground, every merit of success he gained in landing at Inchon and invading North Korea is diminished by the American army's total defeat at the hands of the Red Chinese a few months later.
    I'm pretty sure your average South Korean who knows the history would disagree. Not that you'd ever acknowledge such.
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I'm pretty sure your average South Korean who knows the history would disagree. Not that you'd ever acknowledge such.
    Er... How would they disagree? Are you attempting to deny the fact that the Americans lost to the Red Chinese, got pushed out of North Korea, and had to watch as China and the Soviet Union built up a communist Chinese satellite North Korea instead?

    That's just fact, mate. That's why there's a North Korea today.

    Who is disputing that?

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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    Er... How would they disagree? Are you attempting to deny the fact that the Americans lost to the Red Chinese, got pushed out of North Korea, and had to watch as China and the Soviet Union built up a communist Chinese satellite North Korea instead?

    That's just fact, mate. That's why there's a North Korea today.
    Considering when MacArthur found it, the Norks were occupying SOUTH Korea (which I'm sure you know, though you're posting to imply otherwise), and they haven't for 60 years since, I'd say you're either simply trying to bash the United States or trolling for an argument, or (most likely) both. Seems pretty obvious to me, what with all this talk of "total defeat of the American army."
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    Re: The Greatest General in History

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Considering when MacArthur found it, the Norks were occupying SOUTH Korea (which I'm sure you know, though you're posting to imply otherwise), and they haven't for 60 years since, I'd say you're either simply trying to bash the United States or trolling for an argument, or (most likely) both. Seems pretty obvious to me, what with all this talk of "total defeat of the American army."
    I'm not trying to imply anything, I'm simply explaining that MacArthur's defeats in North Korea exclude him from the list. Look. The North Koreans invaded South Korea, and nearly conquered the entire peninsula. Then MacArthur and the UN show up, invade the port of Inchon, and sweep the North Koreans out of South Korea. Fantastic. He should have left it there, that would have been an admirable campaign.

    Instead, due to his irate hatred of communism, he decides to invade North Korea, and once he's nearly conquered the entire place, he sends scouts over the Chinese border. I can not think of a single way he could have ****ed up his campaign more effectively than that. And what does China do? They send a million man army to rout the Americans, which they do, and push them back all the way to the South Korean border, thus negating MacArthur's conquest of North Korea.

    For that, he is a poor strategist and general.


    Furthermore, I must note that stating the fact that America has lost wars, or battles, or disputes in the past, is not being anti-American. Only idiots and blind ubernationalists believe, somehow, that America has never lost a war, and that it's invincible.

    To claim that I'm trolling because I say that the American army was defeated in North Korea (which is a well-documented and universally accepted fact) is the height of ignorance.

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