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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Nobody chooses to suffer from a medical condition, many of which are inherited, or otherwise gained through no fault of the sufferer. Insurance companes may not insure "burning houses", but a person is not a building, they are a part of a family, a society, which has a duty of care to its membership.
    I have a duty only to myself. Anyone who tries to tell me otherwise is guilty of theft.

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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
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    Well that's very pretty. But that doesn't make it necessarily true. My duty is to myself and myself includes my morals. If I choose to help out my neighbor then it is on me. If I choose not to, then it is on me. To keep what I said in context, what I responded to was claiming that we all have a duty to each other. Perhaps we do morally, based on my own morals. But if you do not according to your morals, then we should not force it upon each other. Let freedom reign.

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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    I don't mind the clause too much. I do think that there needs to be limits set. As it stands now the pre-existing condition could mean anything, even a broken leg. I would prefer that it be limited to things that can take years to take care of.
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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Insurance companies should absorb the expense of pre-existing condtions, but only if the Govt underwrites it by making ALL of us purchase medical insurance...

    I know too many people who have money for a collection of tech toys and services, more money for dining out, and more car/house than they need, but somehow can't find a few bucks for at least a major medical policy...
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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Insurance companies should absorb the expense of pre-existing condtions, but only if the Govt underwrites it by making ALL of us purchase medical insurance...

    I know too many people who have money for a collection of tech toys and services, more money for dining out, and more car/house than they need, but somehow can't find a few bucks for at least a major medical policy...
    You can't have these things, like not excluding pre-existing conditions, without having a way to pay for it. The public has get beyond their disconnect.

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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Insurance companies should absorb the expense of pre-existing condtions, but only if the Govt underwrites it by making ALL of us purchase medical insurance...
    which is 1. unconstitutional and 2. increases the problem of skyrocketing costs and 3. serves as a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the upper middle class.

    I know too many people who have money for a collection of tech toys and services, more money for dining out, and more car/house than they need, but somehow can't find a few bucks for at least a major medical policy...
    sounds like they have what they value.

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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It probably would be better done at the state level. That way, we'd have 50 different versions and be able to compare them. As for the "enumerated powers" that has never stopped Congress from doing anything yet, has it?
    once upon a time.....


    damn you, 17th Amendment. :shakes fist:



    and still now, every once in a blue moon. though it takes the Supreme Court to force the matter. did you know in the Lopez case the Solicitor General actually argued that there was not a single action that the United States Congress could take that it could not justify under the commerce clause?



    but yeah, let's let the laboratories of democracy do their job. sometimes, i don't wonder if that isn't what the nationalizers fear.
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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can't have these things, like not excluding pre-existing conditions, without having a way to pay for it. The public has get beyond their disconnect.
    There are far fewer actual poor than we are led to believe.
    I have been poor, now I am rich. Like they say, rich is better.
    When we were poor, and we paid our bills, and found that there was nothing left over to eat at resturants or buy a new car, we did the responsible things. Too many of today's poor consider themselves entitled to a life style that they can't afford. Well, actually, some of my siblings think the same, and they are at or near retirement age.
    I have relatives who have relatives, so to speak, who will live far beyond their means and then PLAN their bankruptcy.
    That is the real disconnect, from reality.
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    Re: Do you think no more preexisting conditions is right or wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    There are far fewer actual poor than we are led to believe.
    I have been poor, now I am rich. Like they say, rich is better.
    When we were poor, and we paid our bills, and found that there was nothing left over to eat at resturants or buy a new car, we did the responsible things. Too many of today's poor consider themselves entitled to a life style that they can't afford. Well, actually, some of my siblings think the same, and they are at or near retirement age.
    I have relatives who have relatives, so to speak, who will live far beyond their means and then PLAN their bankruptcy.
    That is the real disconnect, from reality.
    I think living bwyond our means is the American way today, . . .sadly. But there is a mindset that if I can't have the things I should, I'll get things that I can, and pretend I'm better off than I am. When I was poorer, I didn't have auto insurance, health insurance, and missed more than a few payments on things I had. But I had a car (easy loans to get), had a TV, had clothes to wear, food to eat, and I found money for smokes and booze. But it was a struggle, and would have been a struggle without those things.

    Anyway, sure, many could be better then they are. I don't disagee.

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