View Poll Results: Is the Captain innocent or guilty?

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Thread: Innocent or Guilty?

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    Re: Innocent or Guilty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay. Two selfless saints jump overboard. The other 28 say "screw that!" and remain in the boat. Boat sinks in the storm. All die. No one is saved.
    Yeah, but the outcome was "fair". Which is really what matters.....



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    Re: Innocent or Guilty?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I go with not guilty. It is a terrible choice to have to make, but in the end a just one. Whenever there is a problem where the ends do not meet, you save what you can and sacrifice what you have to. Ultimately, this is the sort of thing that responsibility is all about.

    Justice is a great ideal and something we should always strive for (and technically, I see justice as the captain doing nothing as opposed to causing harm), and we should always behave by those ideals when we can. However, we must always accept necessity and the constraints we find ourselves in. To do otherwise is to let a greater harm happen in the name of an ideal. Sometimes the worst thing we can ever do is nothing and the best thing we can ever do is cause harm, if it is in the service of a greater good.

    Yes. This. Especially the bolded parts.

    You could say the same in so many situations.

    1. Thousands of Americans have been killed in a surprise attack. We can do nothing and hope the aggressors do not attack us again; or we can go to war and risk the deaths of many, to end the threat.
    (hint: this applies to Pearl Harbor as much as 9/11)


    2. The nukes have flown/comet has struck/economy has collapsed catastrophically/whatever.... civilization has fallen. You have enough food put away to keep your family alive until you can get some crops growing, but only just enough. Your neighbors have no food put away, and come begging. If you share with them, your family AND theirs will run out of food before any crops can grow, and everyone will starve... or you can turn them away and save what you can (your own).


    3. Someone you love has become a drug addict, and a criminal, and a danger to everyone around them. Let's say it is your spouse, and you have children. They won't go to rehab. They're stealing from the neighbors. Do you make the hard decision and turn the over to the police, knowing they will go to prison, or let them ruin the lives of everyone in the family including the children?


    4. You're a State governor. There is a bill in front of your desk about water purity; the idea is to reduce the trace levels of arsenic in drinking water to virtually nothing. Proponents claim that some people are more sensitive to trace levels of arsenic in water than others, and that this bill might save ten people every year from sickness and possibly death. Those opposed say it will cost ten billion dollars your state doesn't have, in a time when the budget is stretched to the limit, your state's debt is high, and the economy is weak; if you raise taxes, your state's fragile economy may collapse. A million people could lose their jobs. Is it worth risking a million jobs to save ten people from illness or death?

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    Re: Innocent or Guilty?

    I think if he was so concerned about the survival of everyone he should have jumped out to his death.

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    Re: Innocent or Guilty?

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    I think if he was so concerned about the survival of everyone he should have jumped out to his death.

    Depriving the lifeboat of it's most experienced seaman, and also of its clear and obvious leader, possibly resulting in a conflict over who is the new head man.... and conflict over leadership in a "lifeboat situation" can be fatal.


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    Re: Innocent or Guilty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea
    care to tell us what the hell that means

    EDIT: nevermind I had to look it up on Bing: Latin: conviction of a crime requires proof of a criminal act and intent.


    Anyhew, without 100% certainty that the storm was going to hit them..... it was premature to push these people off the boat to their deaths. Without the proper data I cant really make a judgement but from what I read I would say the Captain made a mistake.
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