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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Just like any other job. If they werent commited in the 1st place they should have the darn job! If $58K isnt enough money for them they should have known that before hand!
    You lose argument!
    What about construction workers? What about truck drivers? What about nail stylists (or whatever they are called)
    We can compare one job to the next regarding DANGER. Cops generally have a very safe working environment. I know this as fact because my ex-fiance was one!!!

    Noodle, you know two things, and I'm not going to name them but the first one is Jack.

    I don't know what specific speciality your ex-fiancee had but I can assure you most cops do not have a safe working environment.

    When I was a cop, granted 13 years ago, I made 25k a year. Yes, I had pretty good benefits and they didn't cost that much... I needed them. I went to the hospital 3 times due to injuries sustained in the line of duty.

    I'd tell you how many times I dealt with an armed suspect, but I lost count.

    I'd tell you how many times I dealt with a suspect who wanted to fight, but I lost count in my rookie year. No tazers back then, btw.

    Do you know how many times I was at-risk of exposure to HIV, hepatitis, or tuberculosis?? Lots. We had to take tests every 6 months to see if we'd contracted anything from any of the lovely people we dealt with.

    Do you have any idea how many times some criminal cussed at blue streak at me, calling me and my Mama everything but a child-o-God.... and how hard it was sometimes to put my anger aside and act as a professional?

    Never mind other unpleasantness like seeing dead children, dealing with people who had suffered things so terrible that they were weeping and wailing like their grief had no end... and then you go home and try to act like a normal human being with the wife and kids.

    You have no clue.

    Lots of small towns and communities have volunteer part-time officers. Go do that for a year. You won't get anything like the full dose that a full-time regular cop does, but you'll get the idea. You might find a slightly greater appreciation for those who do that job at the end of it.

    That's assuming you could even hack it for a year, part-time, which I doubt. It takes a special personality type to cope with all that and stay sane... and you don't strike me as having the right stuff.
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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Ah... ex-fiance was a cop. NOW we know the source of Noodle's anger towards this profession. I think it's pretty well established that Noodle doesn't know what he's talking about on this issue. My mom was a teacher for 44 years... teaching in one of the worst inner city schools in one of the worst cities in the country. She would go YEARS without missing a day of work... and because of her teaching, some of these kids learned to read, to write, and learned the importance of an education. Education is the number one way that people... especially the poor, excel. So, yes, people like my mother have more impact on society than near any other profession. Growing up, I didn't live in a huge house, at one point, my mom drove the same car for 20 years, and though I didn't starve, none of us could have everything we wanted. There were definitely times when money was tight. With the importance level of the job, payment should absolutely have been better. So, no... teachers, cops, and firemen, because of their importance to the foundation of society, should be some of the best paid folks out there. Noodle has presented nothing to counter this... in fact, all he has presented is unsubstantiated anger. Maybe the EX in ex-fiance has something to do with that.
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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't think you have the quick thinking skills that law enforcement work (particularly in a large city) requires. I think you're very, very nice, but I think you'd leave your gun on top of your car.
    Oh, maaaan....and you got thanked twice. Noodle!!! I wuv you. ;-)

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    Actually, all the Giant Noodle has done is demonstrate envy and baseless degrading of folks in those positions. The Giant Noodle has presented no evidence, has ignored all evidence, and has presented nothing but an indignant opinion. That is why the Giant Noodle has lost this debate, completely.
    Showing concern about how our tax dollars are spent is not envy, nor is it baseless degrading of folks in these positions. What evidence have you presented that LEO are underpaid? Just your opinion, and you know what they say about those...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Noodle, you know two things, and I'm not going to name them but the first one is Jack.

    I don't know what specific speciality your ex-fiancee had but I can assure you most cops do not have a safe working environment.

    When I was a cop, granted 13 years ago, I made 25k a year. Yes, I had pretty good benefits and they didn't cost that much... I needed them. I went to the hospital 3 times due to injuries sustained in the line of duty.

    I'd tell you how many times I dealt with an armed suspect, but I lost count.

    I'd tell you how many times I dealt with a suspect who wanted to fight, but I lost count in my rookie year. No tazers back then, btw.

    Do you know how many times I was at-risk of exposure to HIV, hepatitis, or tuberculosis?? Lots. We had to take tests every 6 months to see if we'd contracted anything from any of the lovely people we dealt with.

    Do you have any idea how many times some criminal cussed at blue streak at me, calling me and my Mama everything but a child-o-God.... and how hard it was sometimes to put my anger aside and act as a professional?

    Never mind other unpleasantness like seeing dead children, dealing with people who had suffered things so terrible that they were weeping and wailing like their grief had no end... and then you go home and try to act like a normal human being with the wife and kids.

    You have no clue.

    Lots of small towns and communities have volunteer part-time officers. Go do that for a year. You won't get anything like the full dose that a full-time regular cop does, but you'll get the idea. You might find a slightly greater appreciation for those who do that job at the end of it.

    That's assuming you could even hack it for a year, part-time, which I doubt. It takes a special personality type to cope with all that and stay sane... and you don't strike me as having the right stuff.
    Outside of large metro areas, most police officers are not subject to the travails you describe.
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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Showing concern about how our tax dollars are spent is not envy, nor is it baseless degrading of folks in these positions. What evidence have you presented that LEO are underpaid? Just your opinion, and you know what they say about those...
    Read between the lines, Maggie. Noodle isn't presenting concern about how our tax dollars are being spent. If he were, there are FAR more places to cut than salaries of professions that so strongly impact society. And the evidence that I have presented is represented in my explanations of the importance that these folks have to the foundation of society.
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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, maaaan....and you got thanked twice. Noodle!!! I wuv you. ;-)



    Showing concern about how our tax dollars are spent is not envy, nor is it baseless degrading of folks in these positions. What evidence have you presented that LEO are underpaid? Just your opinion, and you know what they say about those...



    Outside of large metro areas, most police officers are not subject to the travails you describe.

    I didn't work in a large metro area, Maggie. I worked in a small city of 50,000, and the surrounding suburban and rural countryside. Want me to list some of the crimes I was involved with as an cop?
    Murder
    Child abuse, including what can only be called torture.
    Rape, spouse abuse.
    Rape of minor children.
    Manslaughter
    Armed Robbery, strongarm robbery, burglary, bank robbery, attempted murder, attempted rape.... the list is as long as the state Code of Laws.

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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    HOw can we objectively tell if a certain job doesn't pay enough? NOt enough qualified people apply. Last time I checked (and I deal with cops constantly and have since a year after I left law school) applications for policie officers, Deputy sheriffs etc are always rather high. Cincinnati PD-one of the best in the country which patrols one of the most dangerous areas in the country-is never hurting for quality applicants. same with the Hamilton County Sheriff's department. I don't know what they start at but its no more than 50K IIRC.



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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    HOw can we objectively tell if a certain job doesn't pay enough? NOt enough qualified people apply. Last time I checked (and I deal with cops constantly and have since a year after I left law school) applications for policie officers, Deputy sheriffs etc are always rather high. Cincinnati PD-one of the best in the country which patrols one of the most dangerous areas in the country-is never hurting for quality applicants. same with the Hamilton County Sheriff's department. I don't know what they start at but its no more than 50K IIRC.

    Turtle, from what I've seen 90% of the applicants are unqualified from the get-go, and half the rest get weeded out along the way as unsuitable. There's not a shortage of people willing to do the job (even if 3/4ths of them probably don't really know what they're getting into), but there aren't all that many who are able to do the job well, and keep their sanity intact long-term.

    Instead of pursuing this line of questioning, ask yourself what the value of having police in society is. I don't claim cops should be making 100k in a low-cost place like SC.... but I think they should be making more than the 20-30k so many are stuck with.

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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Turtle, from what I've seen 90% of the applicants are unqualified from the get-go, and half the rest get weeded out along the way as unsuitable. There's not a shortage of people willing to do the job (even if 3/4ths of them probably don't really know what they're getting into), but there aren't all that many who are able to do the job well, and keep their sanity intact long-term.

    Instead of pursuing this line of questioning, ask yourself what the value of having police in society is. I don't claim cops should be making 100k in a low-cost place like SC.... but I think they should be making more than the 20-30k so many are stuck with.
    I understand the value. When I was at my first law job, we represented the sheriff's department. The Sheriff-the infamous Simon Leis-joked that he wanted me to join his department. Mainly because his guys couldn't win the Ohio state police shooting championships and they didn't have anyone in the "Governors top 20" and he knew I could win that thing. I went to another job where I couldn't be an "Auxillary Deputy" but I remember him telling me he had lots of qualified people trying to get jobs there-often people with years of experience from smaller departments (Hamilton county has lots of small municipalities in it).

    Value is not something that is subject to a rational discussion. but my test is rather objective. A job after all is nothing more than the way in which an organization obtains the commodity of labor. If you pay less than the going rate you don't get the quality or quantity you need.



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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I understand the value. When I was at my first law job, we represented the sheriff's department. The Sheriff-the infamous Simon Leis-joked that he wanted me to join his department. Mainly because his guys couldn't win the Ohio state police shooting championships and they didn't have anyone in the "Governors top 20" and he knew I could win that thing. I went to another job where I couldn't be an "Auxillary Deputy" but I remember him telling me he had lots of qualified people trying to get jobs there-often people with years of experience from smaller departments (Hamilton county has lots of small municipalities in it).

    Value is not something that is subject to a rational discussion. but my test is rather objective. A job after all is nothing more than the way in which an organization obtains the commodity of labor. If you pay less than the going rate you don't get the quality or quantity you need.

    Well, wouldn't you agree that upgrading the quality of the average cop-on-the-street would be a positive? More money would attract better candidates....

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    Re: How much should cops be paid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, wouldn't you agree that upgrading the quality of the average cop-on-the-street would be a positive? More money would attract better candidates....
    I guess the point I make is that the ones I constantly deal with are pretty damn good. The ones in my city, the ones in the town where my son goes to school and the CPD are top flight. So as far as I know whatever they are paying them is getting really good people.



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